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Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

  • Yes, Any further Obama backed Legislation might cause a Civil War.

    Votes: 4 3.7%

  • Maybe, It matters what happens in the near future.

    Votes: 21 19.4%

  • No, The U.S. is not nearing a Civil War.

    Votes: 70 64.8%

  • Somewhat, People like Alex Jones will cause the nation to further split along their opinion lines.

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Not Possibly, This is just a small uproar that will soon pass over.

    Votes: 11 10.2%
  • Total voters
    108
  • Poll closed .
I'm hoping it doesn't come to a civil war but that depends on what happens with this gun control stuff. What I see is an economic collapse and further divide between the left and right. A lot of nanny state dependents are going to be in for tough times when the government is no longer able to support them. Survival instincts will lead to a lot of violence as people try to steal what they aren't given by the government and things will get ugly. Unfortunately I think the more radical on the right will attack government installations and troops and attempt to get control.

In short either Obama will have enough momentum to take over and turn us in to a disarmed and fearful people under a socialist dictatorship or after a protracted violent period conservatives will rule by military decree. Either way we're ****ed.
 
Where were all of you who are so incensed at the thought you might lose some constitutional rights when the biggest hit against the constitutional rights of citizens was being glorified... The Patriot Act?

I hope Obama doesn't enact Executive Powers to enact draconian gun control laws, but if he does the next president can use the same Executive Powers to reverse it... if SCOTUS hasn't already done so. It's one thing for various states to put bans on certain weapons, etc., but quite another when a president enacts a federal ban. My guess, he's going to close gun-show loopholes (good!) and impose a wider mandatory background check that includes a history of mental problems and certain convictions for violent behavior. I can't fault either of those. If he goes further, I'd be extremely disappointed.

But I'm not going to run out, buy a Bushmaster, and start shooting anti-gun activists either.
 
If some idiots actually choose to rebel over gun control good luck to them they'll just get slaughtered.
 
DiAnna said:
Where were all of you who are so incensed at the thought you might lose some constitutional rights when the biggest hit against the constitutional rights of citizens was being glorified... The Patriot Act?
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That was different. The President had an "R" after his name.
 
This is all priceless really.

At one time wing nuts on the Left were telling us that a Civil War is near because George W Bush was a evil wannabe dictator.

So now the wing nuts on the Right are telling us that there will be a Civil War because Barack Obama is a evil wannabe dictator.

After Obamas term is over then there will be getting a new evil wannabe dictator?
 
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Highly doubtful. This isn't something we haven't heard before, and as before, it depends on who is in 'control' that seems to bring out the fringe that start crying "civil war".

Bunk.
 
Since we declared war on terrorism it seems like the nation has split. The current administrations progressive or bust agenda has widened that split and seems to me the only thing in their way is the constitution. Civil War? Dunno.
 
QUOTE Shadow Serious

Given the Free Zone bans on College campuses I would not say there has been no change. Furthermore, the establishment of "hate" crimes where people who were accused of a crime get extra penalties if it is believed were done by some sort of prejudice. And with respect to acting against bullying some suggest to limit the 1st Amendment basses of content of the speech and not over just harsh language (thoughts and beliefs that they disagree with).
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Hardly unique to this President since what you refer to as “Hate” crimes is rooted to the Civil Rights Act of 1968.




Government mandated Segregation and other Jim Crow laws was on the books for decades and recognized by the Federal Government in the military for nearly as long. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to have the capability to overthrow a Tyrannical government and while full auto is generally not practical but is for the benefit for suppressive fire where needed. Semi auto is the principal fire arm of the US military and must be available to the general public for the same purpose.
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And the 2nd Amendment is in place now and will be available when Obama completes his term.Nothing is going to stop Simi Auto hunting rifles. Here is an image of what my 30 caliber looks like but IMO mine looks better. Its bones are from a M1 carbine.

Lets be clear there are people in the House and Senate which do believe that American citizens should not be able to bear arms or even own them. They are in a minority now but hold positions of power in the Committees and with the present set up where bills are produced in the 11th hour and are not read by the members of the Legeslative Branch (since they are not able to) such blanket bans are possible after all did not the Obama Care bill became law since it would have to pass to read it?
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Have you ever heard of a“Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacie “? For instance;here is an excellent example of a “Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy “.

"I can't help but think that you are the cause of this problem; we never had any problem with the furnace until you moved into the apartment." The manager of the apartment house, on no stated grounds other than the temporal priority of the new tenant's occupancy,

Notice anything familiar in the paragraph below?Getta clue.Your post are full of them.

"I can't help but think that the cause of this problem(potential Simi automatic Assault weapons lookalike ban ); are the Democratic minority in the House of Representative. We never had any problem with until the Obama Care bill became law.:2wave:
 
QUOTE Shadow Serious

Given the Free Zone bans on College campuses I would not say there has been no change. Furthermore, the establishment of "hate" crimes where people who were accused of a crime get extra penalties if it is believed were done by some sort of prejudice. And with respect to acting against bullying some suggest to limit the 1st Amendment basses of content of the speech and not over just harsh language (thoughts and beliefs that they disagree with).
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Hardly unique to this President since what you refer to as “Hate” crimes is rooted to the Civil Rights Act of 1968.




Government mandated Segregation and other Jim Crow laws was on the books for decades and recognized by the Federal Government in the military for nearly as long. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to have the capability to overthrow a Tyrannical government and while full auto is generally not practical but is for the benefit for suppressive fire where needed. Semi auto is the principal fire arm of the US military and must be available to the general public for the same purpose.
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And the 2nd Amendment is in place now and will be available when Obama completes his term.Nothing is going to stop Simi Auto hunting rifles. Here is an image of what my 30 caliber looks like but IMO mine looks better. Its bones are from a M1 carbine.

Lets be clear there are people in the House and Senate which do believe that American citizens should not be able to bear arms or even own them. They are in a minority now but hold positions of power in the Committees and with the present set up where bills are produced in the 11th hour and are not read by the members of the Legeslative Branch (since they are not able to) such blanket bans are possible after all did not the Obama Care bill became law since it would have to pass to read it?
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Have you ever heard of a“Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacie “? For instance;here is an excellent example of a “Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy “.

"I can't help but think that you are the cause of this problem; we never had any problem with the furnace until you moved into the apartment." The manager of the apartment house, on no stated grounds other than the temporal priority of the new tenant's occupancy,

Notice anything familiar in the paragraph below?Getta clue.Your post are full of them.

"I can't help but think that the cause of this problem(potential Simi automatic Assault weapons lookalike ban ); are the Democratic minority in the House of Representative. We never had any problem with until the Obama Care bill became law.:2wave:
 
Lukas105 said:
Do you think the United States is approaching an upcoming Civil War? Or maybe we will just become more and more divided?
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Deluded crap like you are spewing is more dangerous than any reality... way to go dick. Way to go dividing the country. You know what they say about a conflicting thought.. . Well, of course you don't.
 
What a silly view point...
 
yes US politics is becoming more polarized - there are a number of studies which have documented this.

no, its not Obama's fault. it was already happening.

no, there won't be a civil war anytime soon ... but I wouldn't like to be in such a politically divided nation with so many people suffering economically, with such poor social capital and with so many people armed to the teeth.

its not war you have to worry about. its random nutters who believe they have an axe to grind and who have easy access to weapons.
 
No, it would take a whole lot more than anything that's gone on lately to cause another civil war.
 
Helix said:
thanks for your opinion. i care as much about what you think as you apparently care about proofreading what you post. also, Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
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Sorry, my administrative assistant couldn't make it here today.

My point is that the citizenry of Germany leading up to the take over by Hitler was giving away rights and finally it had slid to the point that there were no rights at all.

When the problems to be addressed grow beyond the means of the people to address them, they seek help from the places they suppose they can find it. Now, as then, the problems are growing so great that the populace will willingly give away all of their rights just to be able to eat.
 
America is facing social and racial strife never before experienced in this country. The Hispanics are already attacking Blacks.
The most patriotic position is to do everything legally possible to speed the collapse of our our clapped-out pandering
multicultural system.
 
Whipsnade said:
1st Protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press, as well as the right to assemble and petition the government. Nope, that hasn't changed are is it on the horizon.

2nd Protects an individual's right to bear arms.

Full auto? Thats been on the books for years. So called assault rifles,really Semi automatics.High Capacity ninety rounder mags?Who needs these for self-defense or hunting?

I have NEVER heard any talk about repealing my,and your conceal carry rights; maybe I move in different circle than you do though.
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The Catholic Church has never condoned the use of contraception and defines this as murder and therefore a direct violation of the word of God. Doesn't matter if it makes sense. That is their teaching. Obama has demanded that they pay for the practice. That's the first amendment.

The second Amendment as passed by the Congress:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This is an add on to the document that defines powers and their division between the Federal Government and the States. There is little chance that the Founders who were were pretty particular in what words they used and when, would use this language if they were not discussing the relationship of the States to the Union. The notion of the state being a separate nation did exist at that time and the notion that the various states would retain a high degree of autonomy was one of the purposes of the document.

The Assault weapon ban to which you refer has passed its sunset already, 2004.The purpose of the Second Amendment is not to protect hunters from Ducks. It's to protect citizens from the government.

Do you agree then, lacking any objection, that the limitations set forth by the Enumerated Powers and the separation of power defined in Article One are already gone?
 
ChuckBerry said:
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I appreciate that. Having never owned a gun of any type, i will need to be trained on how to use it without killing myself. That would be a bad thing.

I remember the stories of the folks in new Orleans after Katrina using rifles to keep looters out of their neighborhoods. Perched on rooftops with rifles challenging anyone who came through the entries.

I think I will need a shot gun type of thing like you show above, a rifle, and a hand gun with stopping power.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Money, the ability to live as one sees fit, the ability to defend ones self as they see fit, constant interferance are amongst other things. At least to the people I talk to. Me? Well I have never been a team player and I dont quite care what the government does.
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Two points you make - One: You apparently know a bunch of folks suffering from paranoia

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Two: If you "dont quite care what the government does" then it really doesn't matter in which nation you choose to live - does it?
 
No, I don't believe a civil war is imminent... but i never rule out weird **** happening.

our federal government grows more powerful and controlling with each passing day... one day, it will be made to stop....the democratic process is seemingly incapable of doing that, but we might be surprised one day.
might be tomorrow, might be in 100.. or 500 years... who knows.
I would hope that the federal government would be constrained peacefully... but with such a sizable portion of the populace wanting and fighting for it to grow more powerful and controlling, my hope is not looking too good..

I'm too old to fight anymore.... well, i'm too old to fight fair anyways.... so I won't be part of any insurrection.
when the Obama administration passes it's gun control measures, I won't go nuts and shoot cops or anti-gun idiots... most likely, I'll be sitting her drinking coffee or whiskey at the very moment the Obama administration decides i'm a criminal.. I'll laugh a little bit, and keep on living my life as I always have.... the only thing that will change is that i'll have a few more laws to ignore or circumvent.
 
code1211 said:
I appreciate that. Having never owned a gun of any type, i will need to be trained on how to use it without killing myself. That would be a bad thing.

I remember the stories of the folks in new Orleans after Katrina using rifles to keep looters out of their neighborhoods. Perched on rooftops with rifles challenging anyone who came through the entries.

I think I will need a shot gun type of thing like you show above, a rifle, and a hand gun with stopping power.
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Then there are other stories about those armed citizens
Post-Katrina, White Vigilantes Shot African-Americans With Impunity
 
Fisher said:
Expect to see more places like Hilton Head where every community is gated, most with their own security, and some of them have their own fire departments just to keep people out. It is just a matter of time until less rich places follow that model.
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How would the "less rich" towns and communities pay for such services?

That would be funny, watching the IRS seize all of the real estate because no federal taxes had been paid. Also would the hilarity ensue when the locals realise that they would be paying far more in taxes to their local government than they had been paying to the feds in the past.
 
code1211 said:
I appreciate that. Having never owned a gun of any type, i will need to be trained on how to use it without killing myself. That would be a bad thing.

I remember the stories of the folks in new Orleans after Katrina using rifles to keep looters out of their neighborhoods. Perched on rooftops with rifles challenging anyone who came through the entries.

I think I will need a shot gun type of thing like you show above, a rifle, and a hand gun with stopping power.
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a gun is probably the easiest piece of machinery you'll ever have to deal with... they are very very easy to understand.


the number one rule you'll need to follow is a very simple one that will ensure your firearm cannot do unintended harm.
keep your finger off the trigger until you want to fire the weapon.
without your finger on the trigger, the firearm is a useless hunk of metal.

the rules of safe firearm handling are few and easily understood...a child of 4 or 5 can understand the rules, so I'm confident you can as well.

getting good with your firearm is a lifelong endeavor though... i've been shootin' for 50 years or so, and i'm still working on my skills
I've fired millions of rounds downrange.. mostly at paper, but quite a few at enemies of our nation... i've taken 4 courses at Gunsite ( when Col. Cooper was still alive).
I shoot ,on average, about 3-5 times a month ( more now that i live in the sticks and have a range on my property)
..perfection still evades me... dammit.
 
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