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  • Yes, Any further Obama backed Legislation might cause a Civil War.

    21 14.00%
  • Maybe, It matters what happens in the near future.

    34 22.67%
  • No, The U.S. is not nearing a Civil War.

    77 51.33%
  • Somewhat, People like Alex Jones will cause the nation to further split along their opinion lines.

    3 2.00%
  • Not Possibly, This is just a small uproar that will soon pass over.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You didn't paraphrase what Thrilla said. Claiming that you did really is deceitful, and anybody can go back a few pages and see this for him/herself.
    If I claimed that was what he actually said, it'd be lying. As it is, I make no effort to disguise the fact that I changed the exact wording he used. Again, the altered version presents an accurate paraphrase. For further analysis, I'd direct you to post 163. Post 184 clearly summarizes the timeline of this conversation, though I leave out you, clownboy, and the recruit; you weren't primarily relevant to Thrilla's attempt at escaping what he knew was a losing battle.

    Interesting side note, by now Thrilla has undoubtedly convinced himself that his motivations in dodging Paschendale's post were different from what I've presented. Surely, some wisp of accurate recollection is present, but overall, his mind has probably overwritten his original thoughts on the matter. I just wanted to point out that possibility, I love cognitive science, and I think it's important to note its relevance in daily life.
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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    horse****... i'm getting a lil bit tired of you trying to validate your dishonesty.
    I was not in conversation with Pash... I merely commented in his delusional opinion the lazy people do not exist.... I won't entertain anyones writing who is either that dumb or that delusional,no sense in wasting my time on such idiocy.
    anyways, there was no conversation...I stopped reading his arguments after the first few sentences..... and then your dumba ass chimes in to draw conclusions about me that you dreamed up and try to pass off as fact
    you are simply dishonest.
    He responded to you, ergo he started a debate with you. You quickly backed out, and the motivations for doing so have been repeated many times in this thread.


    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    really?... you are not sure how I made the leap?... despite you changing the words of my posts and replacing my words with yours.. despite drawing conclusions that you dreamed up in your little mind... you do not understand how i made the leap?
    it seems i have given you too much credit here... i figured you would understand what dishonesty is.... and It's obvious I have erred in that estimation.
    It's okay, you're obviously too invested in finding your own innocence to think through this rationally; it's become a pride issue for you, and hubris won't let you even conceive you're wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    listen dude... I did not type what you presented as my post.... those were not my words... they were YOUR words.
    YOU were DISHONEST in changing my post... it really is that simple.
    Yeah, I know. But the fact of the matter is, they present your true motivation for responding to Paschendale in the manner that you did. I never claimed you actually said what I addressed, and I made no effort to disguise that I changed your words. Regardless, they present your motivation for ignoring Paschendale's response to your comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    as for your position on gun control.. I don't give a flat ****... the overriding issue is that you are dishonest and i do not trust anything you have to say... you have proven yourself to be untrustworthy, period.
    seriously dude, it's not my fault you lied.... you will not spin this into being my fault.... I will not allow it.
    See? Pride issue. To be fair, I made it a pride issue with post 163, and it's hard for you to not go down the path you did at that point. I'll be nice. Maybe up until this point, you actually think I'm claiming that the words addressed were yours. They are not, nor have I ever claimed they are. I have, and do claim, however, that they present your motivation for addressing Paschendale in the way that you did. I've seen it a hundred times, I've done it myself. It's bound to happen when you make comments on threads you're slightly interested in, and receive a lengthy response, as was the case here. You could've completely ignored Paschendale, but you chose to instead dismiss his argument on its face but making a superficial claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I highly doubt more than a few are interested... but for those whom are, your dishonesty is on display here..... your words that you attributed to me have not been changed, not do I expect them to be ( were you possessing of integrity, they would have been changed long ago)
    If it lets you sleep comfortably, just keep thinking that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    don't be "sure" of things you cannot and do not know... I have zero problem addressing any arguments against me... I do, however, have a problem with dishonest people like you... I will not respond to folks like you with anything but the disdain and incivility they deserve.
    Yes...Post #158. I feel it's become a quite common sentiment here, but I feel obligated to say that you just lied.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if anything comes of this, I would hope it is you learning not to change other peoples post...such dishonesty will not win you favor or benefit your credibility.
    May I say, I appreciate how straightforward and easy to understand you make yourself, I can pretty much predict what you're going to say next
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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    If I claimed that was what he actually said, it'd be lying. As it is, I make no effort to disguise the fact that I changed the exact wording he used. Again, the altered version presents an accurate paraphrase. For further analysis, I'd direct you to post 163. Post 184 clearly summarizes the timeline of this conversation, though I leave out you, clownboy, and the recruit; you weren't primarily relevant to Thrilla's attempt at escaping what he knew was a losing battle.

    Interesting side note, by now Thrilla has undoubtedly convinced himself that his motivations in dodging Paschendale's post were different from what I've presented. Surely, some wisp of accurate recollection is present, but overall, his mind has probably overwritten his original thoughts on the matter. I just wanted to point out that possibility, I love cognitive science, and I think it's important to note its relevance in daily life.
    why do you keep insisting things about me that aren't true?

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    He responded to you, ergo he started a debate with you. You quickly backed out, and the motivations for doing so have been repeated many times in this thread.
    dear lord, you can't even get the basic facts correct.
    no, he did not respond to me.. he responded to Code.






    It's okay, you're obviously too invested in finding your own innocence to think through this rationally; it's become a pride issue for you, and hubris won't let you even conceive you're wrong.
    do you understand how ****ing arrogant you sound?.... who the **** are you to tell me what I'm thinking?
    sorry chum, you don't get to make **** up about me and pass it off as fact....you do not know what my thoughts are, you have no way of knowing... stop pretending you do.

    Yeah, I know. But the fact of the matter is, they present your true motivation for responding to Paschendale in the manner that you did. I never claimed you actually said what I addressed, and I made no effort to disguise that I changed your words. Regardless, they present your motivation for ignoring Paschendale's response to your comment.
    more lies.
    Pasch didn't respond to me....and yes, you did pass off your words as mine.... you attributed your words to me... no amount of spinning with allow you to escape the truth.
    and again, do not pretend to know my motivation.. you do not.. you are woefully ignorant as to anything i'm thinking.




    See? Pride issue. To be fair, I made it a pride issue with post 163, and it's hard for you to not go down the path you did at that point. I'll be nice. Maybe up until this point, you actually think I'm claiming that the words addressed were yours. They are not, nor have I ever claimed they are. I have, and do claim, however, that they present your motivation for addressing Paschendale in the way that you did. I've seen it a hundred times, I've done it myself. It's bound to happen when you make comments on threads you're slightly interested in, and receive a lengthy response, as was the case here. You could've completely ignored Paschendale, but you chose to instead dismiss his argument on its face but making a superficial claim.
    I happen to know those words were not mine, I am not confused in the least over whose words those are... I have no problem setting hte record straight, despite your attempts to further your lies.
    I happen to know what my motivation is....you do not, you have no way of knowing , yet you still try to claim, as fact, that you hold this knowledge..... your are not short on arrogance, that's for goddamn sure.



    If it lets you sleep comfortably, just keep thinking that.
    you are not important... i'll sleep well no matter how dishonest you want to be.



    Yes...Post #158. I feel it's become a quite common sentiment here, but I feel obligated to say that you just lied.
    ahh gee, and here you are claiming to know what i'm thinking again.

    give it up dude, you are not a good liar, nor are you a good mind reader.



    May I say, I appreciate how straightforward and easy to understand you make yourself, I can pretty much predict what you're going to say next
    I'm sure you believe you can read minds.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is how I feel as well. If it were possible for idiots to revolt in a way that only got them arrested and permanently removed from society without hurting anybody else, I'd be all for it. Society would be able to progress a lot more easily.
    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: “If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”

    The problem though is that reality is much more complicated than that.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    If I claimed that was what he actually said, it'd be lying. As it is, I make no effort to disguise the fact that I changed the exact wording he used. Again, the altered version presents an accurate paraphrase. For further analysis, I'd direct you to post 163. Post 184 clearly summarizes the timeline of this conversation, though I leave out you, clownboy, and the recruit; you weren't primarily relevant to Thrilla's attempt at escaping what he knew was a losing battle.

    Interesting side note, by now Thrilla has undoubtedly convinced himself that his motivations in dodging Paschendale's post were different from what I've presented. Surely, some wisp of accurate recollection is present, but overall, his mind has probably overwritten his original thoughts on the matter. I just wanted to point out that possibility, I love cognitive science, and I think it's important to note its relevance in daily life.
    I love watching you trying to tango by yourself. You changed somebody else's words. You've tried to back-pedal by describing this as "paraphrasing," and if you truly love "cognitive science," then you surely hope to serve the integrity that intellectual rigor requires.

    So man up. You thought you were being clever, you were called on it, and now it's time to admit what you did. You weren't "paraphrasing" at all; you were inventing a fake quote.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    I suspect the ones who will be looting and being shot or detained by LE and military will be those who depend on government programs for their survival when the government is no longer able to meet their needs. There may be some civilian violence as those who have defend themselves against those who steal, but in the beginning at least it is more likely the armed citizens will be sitting back defending themselves rather than attacking anybody. The real danger will begin when military weapons get in to the hands of civilians.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I suspect the ones who will be looting and being shot or detained by LE and military will be those who depend on government programs for their survival when the government is no longer able to meet their needs. There may be some civilian violence as those who have defend themselves against those who steal, but in the beginning at least it is more likely the armed citizens will be sitting back defending themselves rather than attacking anybody. The real danger will begin when military weapons get in to the hands of civilians.
    You dont seem to be hearing who exactly is talking civil war at this time.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    let me guess... it will quickly be taken care of by people with guns.

    amirite?
    YES! By the "well regulated militia". And I'm for that.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    I hear who is talking about it. Sat in a restaurant last week with almost 100 other people who are active members CERT, medical first responders and search and rescue people who were talking about it. What we were discussing was how we keep people safe when those who are living in the cities decide to head out to the mountains to escape the looting and military occupation that will follow a financial crisis. What we mostly train for are natural emergencies, the three biggest concerns here are tornadoes, wild fires and ice storms. But we have to be realistic about other scenarios as well. What do you do when thousands of people flee toward your rural community with a half a tank of gas and a sandwich? Our resources would be wiped out in a big hurry.

    BTW, this group started off as the Georgia State Militia back before the "M" word was scary. The state charter actually discusses it and it used to be by county and responsible to the governor's office. But then the state, in the aftermath of a few nutjobs who called themselves militia but did not appear on any state lists anywhere, did some bad things (planned but never executed) discontinued the recognition of the groups thru the state, at least on an official basis. So you know what happened? We contacted FEMA and partnered with them for training. Yup. The group still exists and is growing, except now we get our training fro free thru FEMA and GEMA. The term "militia" still exists in the group's charter, except now we response to FEMA and GEMA but are largely autonomous. Our last alert was for an elderly man (I knew him) who wandered off and died from hypothermia. The call came from the sheriff's office in another county and was passed to us by our sheriff's department. This is a militia group that works for the better interest of the community and hand in hand with local authorities.

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