View Poll Results: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

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  • Yes, Any further Obama backed Legislation might cause a Civil War.

    21 14.00%
  • Maybe, It matters what happens in the near future.

    34 22.67%
  • No, The U.S. is not nearing a Civil War.

    77 51.33%
  • Somewhat, People like Alex Jones will cause the nation to further split along their opinion lines.

    3 2.00%
  • Not Possibly, This is just a small uproar that will soon pass over.

    15 10.00%
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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    There are people who believe, as I do, that the country should strive as much as possible to not be in debt and that part of the road to this goal is to have rational tax program that while being progressive, demands contributions by all.

    There are those who believe that the size of the debt makes no difference and that the need to pay taxes is the responsibility of someone else.

    People in the former group take pride in making their own way, paying for their own living and not being a burden on others.

    People in the later group demand as a birth right the standard of living that they envy enough to want, but not enough to earn.
    So long as this delusion persists about a substantial class of people who refuse to work, and who mooch off the efforts of others, then we will never have real political progress. There is no fact in this assertion. There are not two kinds of people, hardworking and lazy. There's really only the hardworking kind. The latter kind is a fictional construct created to justify blaming poor people for being poor, so as to allow a person to rationalize not helping them. So long as we allow the one of the main political mantras in this country to be that the poor deserve to be poor because they are of low moral fiber and will not take the same opportunities that we take, we cannot make progress. So long as we make decisions based on fantasy, rather than reality, we will never make significant enough to change to bring people up out of poverty, expand the middle class in this country, and build a strong economic force that can keep the United States on top for the next several centuries.

    As to a civil war? I don't know. I can think of three situations where one might happen.

    All the bigots, crazies, and Tea Party types running around keep threatening to rise up in a revolt, but they would surely lose. Their war would be with the entire structure of the American government, and basically to secure lots of freedoms for themselves and to destroy them for anyone else. It's not righteous and they would be completely alone in it.

    Keep kicking the poor so much and they might rise up, and they would have a legit cause that a lot of others might take up. Nothing like desperate times to make people take desperate measures. I don't know if they would be alone in their actions. A lot of people feel that great injustice is being done to the poor of this country, being kept off the social ladder, with no means to advance. But I don't know if they feel that way enough to take up arms when they are not affected. It could go either way.

    The increased militarization and "security" of our country might continue and lead to real fascist policies, which could lead to a revolution against the government. That one would be a lot trickier to win, since it's the scenario where there would be the greatest divide between government and people. The former has far more resources. That's the revolution that the gun folks want to fight, but it's the least likely to happen, and also probably the hardest to win, since we would be that much further from a free society by then. Rather than fight it, I'd rather stop it from coming in the first place. I don't see how any political ideology can include more surveillance on people, searching people and invading their privacy. The government should not be in the business of spying on people, not with cameras, not tapping our phones, not reading our e-mails, not scanning our bodies at the airport, nor stopping and hassling us on the street without cause.

    Either way, change will come slowly, and slow change is a pretty solid deterrent against drastic actions. I don't think any kind of revolt or civil war is likely to happen.
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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Paschendale if you really believe that lazy people who abuse the system truly do not exist, you are so naive I doubt it'd be worth the trouble to show you video of the lot who work only as long as it takes to qualify for another year of unemployment, or make horribly immoral decisions because otherwise they would lose benefits.

    Tell me you accept that at least one such person exists, let alone thousands. Its not the "two types of people in this world" as if 1/2 the population are looters, but we all exist on a continuum. There are some independent types, some full blown looters, alot of people who benefit from looting indirectly but still contribute to society (perhaps more than they get.) Then there are some who truly get more than they give, and will wield all the political power they can to protect their sacred cows.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    let me guess... it will quickly be taken care of by people with guns.

    amirite?
    Not civilians with guns.
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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    MMC wrote a lot of words and cites a very right wing historian in an attempt to support what I consider to be a rather distorted view of reality. There was one sentence however, that caught my eye as a prime example of historical ignorance



    Right about what? That free markets provide a great living for less than one percent of the population? But then we may end up in a debate over the definition of "free markets" - which would take this thread off topic
    Yeah MMC put up what the good Professor had to say. The one that comes from very Right Wing John Hopkins University.....huh?

    Myself I can believe the Country has taken a step closer.....whether you believe so or not.

    Now as to disputing the Professor who studied the French Revolutions and the American Revolution.....which what was his Master was all about. Perhaps he might take notice of how you think his view is a distortion of reality.

    Myself.....I wouldn't really have a concern.

    As to those Markets.....would you rather have trade Restricted and not have Free trade with whomever?

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    good luck with your war on corporations, money, and business... i'm sure you will be victorious one day and those evil bastards will be done away with
    Oh you misunderstood.....huh? Guess thats what happens when ones makes assumptions. I don't think I should have to war against corporations, money and business.

    That's the good professor pointing out all those activists groups doing so over their own issue whatever it may be. Then like the poor over food and or property. Especially once manipulated to do so.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Not civilians with guns.
    of course I meant government agents with guns not civilians.... der.

    government agents with guns are good for your sort.. civilians with guns are bad..... same old song and dance.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    We simply wish to improve things, without any war..
    A dialog, is all we need for now.....at least for me...
    However, if "one-way conversations" continue, then..........
    And, I'll go as far as to say that accepting things as they are now is "un-American"./
    you can have any dialogue you want to... but if your solutions include infringing on other peoples rights, the conversation should rightfully end there...you've crossed the line

    you don't have to accept things they way they are now... but as I said, infringing on other peoples rights is a no-no... and thus far, that's all the anti-gun side has for solutions.
    abiding by the US Constitution is rather American... violating it is decidedly unAmerican... choose your side wisely.

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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So long as this delusion persists about a substantial class of people who refuse to work, and who mooch off the efforts of others, then we will never have real political progress. There is no fact in this assertion. There are not two kinds of people, hardworking and lazy. There's really only the hardworking kind. The latter kind is a fictional construct created to justify blaming poor people for being poor, so as to allow a person to rationalize not helping them. So long as we allow the one of the main political mantras in this country to be that the poor deserve to be poor because they are of low moral fiber and will not take the same opportunities that we take, we cannot make progress. So long as we make decisions based on fantasy, rather than reality, we will never make significant enough to change to bring people up out of poverty, expand the middle class in this country, and build a strong economic force that can keep the United States on top for the next several centuries.

    As to a civil war? I don't know. I can think of three situations where one might happen.

    All the bigots, crazies, and Tea Party types running around keep threatening to rise up in a revolt, but they would surely lose. Their war would be with the entire structure of the American government, and basically to secure lots of freedoms for themselves and to destroy them for anyone else. It's not righteous and they would be completely alone in it.

    Keep kicking the poor so much and they might rise up, and they would have a legit cause that a lot of others might take up. Nothing like desperate times to make people take desperate measures. I don't know if they would be alone in their actions. A lot of people feel that great injustice is being done to the poor of this country, being kept off the social ladder, with no means to advance. But I don't know if they feel that way enough to take up arms when they are not affected. It could go either way.

    The increased militarization and "security" of our country might continue and lead to real fascist policies, which could lead to a revolution against the government. That one would be a lot trickier to win, since it's the scenario where there would be the greatest divide between government and people. The former has far more resources. That's the revolution that the gun folks want to fight, but it's the least likely to happen, and also probably the hardest to win, since we would be that much further from a free society by then. Rather than fight it, I'd rather stop it from coming in the first place. I don't see how any political ideology can include more surveillance on people, searching people and invading their privacy. The government should not be in the business of spying on people, not with cameras, not tapping our phones, not reading our e-mails, not scanning our bodies at the airport, nor stopping and hassling us on the street without cause.

    Either way, change will come slowly, and slow change is a pretty solid deterrent against drastic actions. I don't think any kind of revolt or civil war is likely to happen.
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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    of course I meant government agents with guns not civilians.... der.

    government agents with guns are good for your sort.. civilians with guns are bad..... same old song and dance.
    Thanks for destroying your own credibility...again. You'd think people would realize broad generalizations and stereotypes like yours make them look ridiculously ignorant, not to mention like enormous ideologues.
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    Re: Is the United States Nearing a Civil War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't know how to respond to your argument, so I'll attempt to belittle and ridicule you, and highlight my inability to debate the facts.
    I think that's what you were trying to say, right? It's not hard to respond to thought-out argument, if you've got the mind for it.
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