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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    Aaaah no, just do a simple google on Frances Bellamy, as I said stated along with his cousin Edward. There's a lot of information out there and a simple google will give you a clue.
    I did that ages ago, which was my criticism. The internet makes fools out of people. What I am saying is you're being simple-minded about it. It's great, you found a connection with fascism and a hand gesture, good job. That's the first thing people usually spout off. The problem is it largely predates the whole spooky side-effect by generations, and the State has employed it with a wholly different purpose. It does not erode its benevolent and utilitarian features of nationalism.
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I did that ages ago, which was my criticism. The internet makes fools out of people. What I am saying is you're being simple-minded about it. It's great, you found a connection with fascism and a hand gesture, good job. That's the first thing people usually spout off. The problem is it largely predates the whole spooky side-effect by generations, and the State has employed it with a wholly different purpose. It does not erode its benevolent and utilitarian features of nationalism.
    So stating you should check the background of Bellamy and research him and his cousin as being radical socialists who's goals where to bring about a Socilast Utipia to the U.S. is being simplistic? aaaah OK if you say so

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    So stating you should check the background of Bellamy and research him and his cousin as being radical socialists who's goals where to bring about a Socilast Utipia to the U.S. is being simplistic? aaaah OK if you say so
    Planned Parenthood was built specifically to engage in eugenics. Planned Parenthood is a good group now, practically harmless. I've moved beyond that little factoid. You should too.
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Planned Parenthood was built specifically to engage in eugenics. Planned Parenthood is a good group now, practically harmless. I've moved beyond that little factoid. You should too.
    Was a simple question, the subject of this poll. I just happen to agree that yes it's "indoctrination" and "brainwashing" along with knowing the foundation of the purpose and why the pledge was created in the first place. Knowing the foundation of something is the basis of understanding, you see I'm not one to take things at face value or "parrot" what I'm told. A good dose of skepticism is very healthy and I only wish more people would practice it.

    Also here's a good piece about the Pledge from Cato -

    What's Conservative about the Pledge of Allegiance? | Cato Institute

    Nice snippet from the article
    Very little, as it turns out. From its inception, in 1892, the Pledge has been a slavish ritual of devotion to the state, wholly inappropriate for a free people. It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist pushed out of his post as a Baptist minister for delivering pulpit-pounding sermons on such topics as “Jesus the Socialist.” Bellamy was devoted to the ideas of his more-famous cousin Edward Bellamy, author of the 1888 utopian novel Looking Backward. Looking Backward describes the future United States as a regimented worker’s paradise where everyone has equal incomes, and men are drafted into the country’s “industrial army” at the age of 21, serving in the jobs assigned them by the state. Bellamy’s novel was extremely popular, selling more copies than other any 19th century American novel except Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Bellamy’s book inspired a movement of “Nationalist Clubs,” whose members campaigned for a government takeover of the economy. A few years before he wrote the Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy became a founding member of Boston’s first Nationalist Club.

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    Was a simple question, the subject of this poll. I just happen to agree that yes it's "indoctrination" and "brainwashing" along with knowing the foundation of the purpose and why the pledge was created in the first place. Knowing the foundation of something is the basis of understanding, you see I'm not one to take things at face value or "parrot" what I'm told. A good dose of skepticism is very healthy and I only wish more people would practice it.

    Also here's a good piece about the Pledge from Cato -

    What's Conservative about the Pledge of Allegiance? | Cato Institute

    Nice snippet from the article
    So here's what we have. An independent thinker, who truly just replaces the blind patriotism of the flock and replaces it with the posture of an innocence-lost perspective (even though they think they somehow have taken the Red pill). So, to further this analysis, we are provided with a libertarian critique of the Pledge on grounds that wish to reclaim what it considers the meaning of "conservative" (although, this enterprise is not without its own follies) by "shocking" so-called conservatives into believing that their universe is all wrong and quick...jump to the other side immediately. Those already knowing of Bellamy's socialist past, but perhaps unswayed by the shock gathered by those who recently discovered this "awful truth" are once again reminded how "ignorant" they are.

    So, tell me, Pagan, how is this any different from what I already know, and why it is you think I am still needing to be educated. Perhaps you'll shock me next with the revelation that the women's suffragettes were xenophobic?
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    Just because it's written by a socialist or another reason?
    No other things, but Bellamy's intentions and purpose of the "indoctrination" chant is pretty obvious, especially when you read his background

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So here's what we have. An independent thinker, who truly just replaces the blind patriotism of the flock and replaces it with the posture of an innocence-lost perspective (even though they think they somehow have taken the Red pill). So, to further this analysis, we are provided with a libertarian critique of the Pledge on grounds that wish to reclaim what it considers the meaning of "conservative" (although, this enterprise is not without its own follies) by "shocking" so-called conservatives into believing that their universe is all wrong and quick...jump to the other side immediately. Those already knowing of Bellamy's socialist past, but perhaps unswayed by the shock gathered by those who recently discovered this "awful truth" are once again reminded how "ignorant" they are.

    So, tell me, Pagan, how is this any different from what I already know, and why it is you think I am still needing to be educated. Perhaps you'll shock me next with the revelation that the women's suffragettes were xenophobic?
    Like I said, you just don't get it. Like using a chant from a Radical National Socialist for a supposedly free society ya now. Be kinda like quoting Larry Flynt in a church baptismal ya know

    Let's just say let's agree to disagree and move on eh?
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I fail to see how forced indoctrination is a good thing
    Yet, you worship Cuba.

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yet, you worship Cuba.

    I "worship" Cuba?


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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I "worship" Cuba?
    Sure you do.
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