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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I fail to see how forced indoctrination is a good thing
    It's not usually forced so much as normalized.

    Even so, the way you make it sound, is that it is dreadful. These are hardly the Vietnamese Reeducation Camps of the past. It's a rather benevolent fostering of nationalism.
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We often disagree on many points but here we agree on one thing that indoctrination is never a good thing
    It makes sense. Socialists hate America, and Libertarians hate jingoism. Stands to reason that they'd both hate American jingoism.

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    I pledged allegiance every morning with my class when I was in elementary school. I don't now, nor have I ever felt indoctrinated. It was more of a class camaraderie to me.
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It makes sense. Socialists hate America, and Libertarians hate jingoism. Stands to reason that they'd both hate American jingoism.
    Gipper, the American pledge itself was created by a Christian Socialist. Learn to accept what you would otherwise see as good ideas when you see them. For instance, I, no socialist, find that socialist's idea as a pretty good one. Furthermore, try to hide your laughter when a pretty idealistic socialist tells us he doesn't trust indoctrination.
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Gipper, the American pledge itself was created by a Christian Socialist. Learn to accept what you would otherwise see as good ideas when you see them. For instance, I, no socialist, find that socialist's idea as a pretty good one. Furthermore, try to hide your laughter when a pretty idealistic socialist tells us he doesn't trust indoctrination.
    I don't trust indoctrination either, and I'm not a POA fan.

    Therefore, the Christian Socialist created something I don't agree with.

    Well, I guess there goes one of the few things I can agree with most socialists on, huh?
    Therefore

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    I picked other, because of course it is. But I think its fine.

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    I voted no, but after further thought i could see how it could be to someone with a tendency to accept doctrine....sort of like a McDonald's commercial if you're already hungry.

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I don't trust indoctrination either, and I'm not a POA fan.

    Therefore, the Christian Socialist created something I don't agree with.

    Well, I guess there goes one of the few things I can agree with most socialists on, huh?
    Therefore
    Was written by a radical Christian Socialist Francis Bellamy in 1892 who wanted to usher in a Christian Socialist Utopia. Also like our money the "under god" wasn't included in until the 50's.

    Here is a photo of students reciting the Pledge in 1941, you will see the close resemblance to that of the National Socialists in Germany. Yes it's all about indoctrination and brainwashing of the Herd, those who think for themselves are a threat to the "Herd".

    Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?-students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_american_flag_with_the_bellamy_salute-jpg

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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pagan View Post
    Was written by a radical Christian Socialist Francis Bellamy in 1892 who wanted to usher in a Christian Socialist Utopia. Also like our money the "under god" wasn't included in until the 50's.

    Here is a photo of students reciting the Pledge in 1941, you will see the close resemblance to that of the National Socialists in Germany. Yes it's all about indoctrination and brainwashing of the Herd, those who think for themselves are a threat to the "Herd".

    Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?-students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_american_flag_with_the_bellamy_salute-jpg
    And it was modified to hand over the heart. Without the Hitler connotation, your "spooky" connection would have no impact.
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    Re: Is The Pledge of Allegiance a Form of Brainwashing/Indoctrination?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    No it is not. Its no different than singing the national anthem or looking at the flag. its a nationalistic gesture and is part of any society
    I'm not forced to sing the national anthem whenever I go to class. It is different.

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