• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Will equal gay rights & polgamy rights lead to leglized pedophila(child rape)?

Will equal gay rights & polgamy rights lead to leglized pedophila(child rape)?


  • Total voters
    61
Does that mean you believe the road will continue to the normalization of pedophilia?

Like I said, I want to say no, but since the OP is already talking normalization of polygamy, perhaps it will.
 
And what exactly is wrong with polygamy? Obviously, it must be with adults that consented.

I know several group marriages and they seem to work out about as well as traditional marriages.

I didn't take a position on it pro or con, but it definitely is down that slope from "gay rights", as you can see from the link Redress just posted.
 
With social and political movements fighting for the equal rights of gays, the possibility of political and social moments gaining new rights for polygamy in the future do you think theres any logical reason to assume this will lead to legalizing child rape, molestation and sexual abuse for pedophilia rights?

A very small super minority do, they think that equal gay rights and future polygamy rights are equal to pedophilia.

Facts remains though there is no logic to support this broken train of thought because equal gay rights (gay marriage) and polygamy marriage do not need society to ignore, change or legalize the words: rape, minors, consent, abuse, molestation, assault, force and victim.

Now are there people on the planet that will say its equal rights or the same? im sure, theres people on the planet still fighting against gay rights, woman rights and minority rights, big whoop lol

I say this logic is severly broken because they aren't similar at all.

so the question is, will equal gay rights and possible future polygamy rights lead to legalized pedophilia?

I should stick to beer, lad. What you are on is getting you hopelessly confused. Homosexuality, polygamy and child abuse are totally different issues, and only an American Extremist could possibly confuse them.
 
Only in the imagination of the beholder.

The slippery slope argument can be used for anything but its not exactly "critical thinking". There is really no relationship between gay marriage and any of the fr less plausible options. As it is, gay marriage has to go up the slippery slope, not down. Remember, in America, "normal" is what YOU believe, not what "the other guy" believes.

I didn't take a position on it pro or con, but it definitely is down that slope from "gay rights", as you can see from the link Redress just posted.
 
To be honest...in 20 years I would not be shocked that the notion of high school aged kids engaging in sexual activites with "adults" will be more "normalized" and accepted than it is now with the increasing push towards sexual understanding, increased ability through the internet for people of various sexual tastes to actually find others that share htose tastes, and general urge to be "open" to things. I think actually that the two likely scenarios is that over the next 20 years it veers in that direction OR we have a massive snap in the cultural/societal view point on sex that actually tightens the views comparitive to today.

I don't ever buy the slippery slope argument using this as an excuse against same-sex marriage because something POSSIBLY happening in the future in a similar but largely unrelated way is not a legitimate argument for stopping something good or, in this case in my mind, constitutional. But I do think over time the views regarding older "kids" and adults will soften but I don't think any action regarding "gay rights" would be to "blame" for that.

I don't think we'll likely see at any point in our lifetimes a point where your non-teenage children would have a push or a chance of being legalized in some way, but yeah....I wouldn't be shocked if over the next 20-30 years the general view point on teenagers changes. Actually...I think that notion has a better shot of being "normalized" FAR sooner than polygamy would be.

Doesn't pedophilia only describe prepubescent children? Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's what I always take it to mean anyway. I could definitely see standards toward high-school age kids relaxing in some ways, but I've seen no movement whatsoever to try and get sexual acts with prepubescent children legalized or normalized.
 
Doesn't pedophilia only describe prepubescent children? Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In a technical sense, yes. In the way I see most people use it (see the other post for example talking about female teacher/student stories, many of which lately were not prepubescent incidents) I would say no. Pedophilia seems to typically be used as a catch all for sex with "children" of any sorts. For example, a 11 year old girl I believe is not technically "prepubescent" but yet would often be considered "child porn" or "pedophilia" if sexual activity was being engaged. In this thread, and in others on this forum, I've rarely seen people going off the clinical definition when discussing it. Nor do I think that's the mindset of specifics that people who foolishly toss the slippery slope argument out there.
 
Any acceptance of any relationships between consenting adults automatically leads to acceptance of pedophilia because if we go around accepting the mutually agreed upon actions of consenting adults the underpants gnomes win.
 
The attempts to link polygamy and SSM are actually pretty funny. Most of the modern polygamy situations, like the cult compounds that the FBI raids, don't deal with consenting adults. It's usually older, powerful men with underage brides. Statutory rape of a minor is the main thing these guys are charged with. One man with a group of fifteen year old brides. That's our main example of polygamy in this country. So, between the three concepts discussed here, SSM, polygamy, and pedophilia, the latter two have a connection, but neither has anything to do with the first.
 
I should stick to beer, lad. What you are on is getting you hopelessly confused. Homosexuality, polygamy and child abuse are totally different issues, and only an American Extremist could possibly confuse them.

i think you have it partially right, YOU should stick to beer because YOU are confused.

I agree hetero/homo/polygamy marriage relationships are TOTALLY different from child abuse, thats exactly what i said. Maybe read it again
 
1.)You ask again and yet you still do the same bias, unobjective, bull**** questioning by calling it "child rape".

As you said, I answered your bull**** question once before. If you want me to clarify you're going to have to actually ask a better question.

2.)Are you asking "Will equal gay rights and polgamy rights lead to legalization of sex with underage individuals"
3.)or are you asking "Will equal gay rights and polgamy rights lead to legalizing all forms of rape when done to those under 18 years of age"?
4.)Since you keep putting "pedophilia(Child Rape)" as part of the question and since you are seemingly lumping instances of "asault, molestation, and force" with other instances of sex being engaged, it murky's what you're asking.
5.)Not surprisingly, because those that seek to be dishonest are often murky in their way of terming things.

6.)In either case I don't think it will "lead" to it, in so much that I don't think that legalizing interracial marriage will have "led" to same sex marriage.
7.) I think it the push for same sex marriage borrows much of from the battle for interracial marriage, but ultimately I think the push of it's own movement is what will "lead" to it happening.
8.)If polygamy somehow becomes further legalized I don't think interracial or same sex marriage will be what "led" to it, I think it'll be largely born of its own push. And as such, if the above situations happened I don't think those things will have been "led" by the others.

8.)Would the arguments, tactics, and political philosophies that are used to argue for interracial marriage and interracial marriage be used as part of the argument? Absolutely. Could it potentially happen sometime in the future? In the first instance, I think the answer is yes but unlikely...in the second, I'd say little to no chance.

1.)so you have nothing then? got it
fact is theres a lot of pedophilia that is child rape :shrug: until you can change that fact dismissing it cause you dont like it is a failed tactic
im not sure why this fact bothers you?

2.) no of course not because that alone is NOT pedophilia.
3.) nope not asking that either because that also is not pedophilia nor did i suggest it was or even come close to using those words in an ALL inclusive manner
4.) you keep saying this but the fact remains those things ARE part of pedophilia and its great that you want to know specifics, i got no problem with that as i respect you as a poster but you most certainly are assuming you know the answers to these questions without even asking me. Maybe you should check what every emotion this stirs for you and just ask direct unassumed questions.
5.) again no dishonest and you havent even come close to support that claim at all because facts support me.
6.) agree and of course we dont because logic doesnt support it.
7.) agreed, equal rights issues do share common ground, a lot of it, these happens by default.
8.) i also agree especially beause equal rights fight cant be used here unless broadened and redefined.
9.) not sure what happened here, i think you reused or used the wrong titles, you said interracial marriage twice
so im going to guess that one of these should be pedophilia and please correct me if im wrong.

will there be common things shared by ALL these movements? yes of course, only a fool would think there wouldnt, some will apply, some people will falsely use and try to make apply.

but at the end of the day pedophilia will still be a huge failure because logs of cases involve minors, non consent, child molestation, rape, assault and a victim.

YES im sure there are cases where consent may be given or more likely COERCED but all the things i listed do in fact play a large part in pedophilia and they are HUGE things to get around which IMO will never happen. Nor is there ANYTHING like them as related to gay/hetero marriage etc.

And lets take one of the things you said, what if consent/minor was changed to 12, then what? what about all the kids under that, who are touched, assulted, victimized, raped, molested or simply just had sex with would that still not be pedophilia?

my point is age/consent is only PART of it and even with age and consent we are already looking at CHANGING two things that arent a factor when talking the others on the list. DO you not see that?
 
View attachment 67140675

Of course, we already have states that allow marriage at 14 don't we? So, that's legalized pedophilia as far as I can tell.

But the image you're trying to have us visualize is too unlikely to consider.

not saying you are wrong cause i admit i simply do not know, you may be 100% correct but what stat legalizes marriage at 14 to another person much older (not just another teen) without parnet consent and pedophiles are stereotypically attracted to per-pubesent children. working with youths, 14 aint it.
 
Doesn't pedophilia only describe prepubescent children? Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's what I always take it to mean anyway. I could definitely see standards toward high-school age kids relaxing in some ways, but I've seen no movement whatsoever to try and get sexual acts with prepubescent children legalized or normalized.

yes it does and while its not widely accepted teens(15-17) and adults(18+) have been having relations forever, views of that vary but its nothing new
and to be honest there are movements out there to get sexual acts with prepubescent children legalized or normalized but they will be a huge failure because of the nature of them which is very unlike hetero/homo/polygamy marriage relationships.
 
Marriage (when it is not forced) is not harmful to anybody. Therefore there is no reason why it should not be legal. This question doesn't actually make sense, and you can see that by the poll results.
 
14 year olds can marry WITH parental consent in several states and even younger if they are pregnant.

So, to my POV, this is legalized pedophilia. So SSM certainly shouldn't be a problem unti some 55 y.o. guy marries his 14 y.o. boyfriend. Then, we'll see some interesting responses. Suddenly, pedophilia will be "bad".


not saying you are wrong cause i admit i simply do not know, you may be 100% correct but what stat legalizes marriage at 14 to another person much older (not just another teen) without parnet consent and pedophiles are stereotypically attracted to per-pubesent children. working with youths, 14 aint it.
 
14 year olds can marry WITH parental consent in several states and even younger if they are pregnant.

So, to my POV, this is legalized pedophilia. So SSM certainly shouldn't be a problem until some 55 y.o. guy marries his 14 y.o. boyfriend. Then, we'll see some interesting responses. Suddenly, pedophilia will be "bad".

but again if pregnant thats factually NOT prepubescent right?
now im not saying that many wouldnt still view it as such im just saying its a different criteria.

do you know the states and the criteria like possible age gap
 
As far as I can tell, there is no age gap requirement in any state. Just minimum age.

You are so correct about pregnancy and prepubescent. I didn't think my post through very well, did I?
imgres-3.jpeg
Teen Marriage License Laws, Minors Requirements, by State




but again if pregnant thats factually NOT prepubescent right?
now im not saying that many wouldnt still view it as such im just saying its a different criteria.

do you know the states and the criteria like possible age gap
 
i think you have it partially right, YOU should stick to beer because YOU are confused.

I agree hetero/homo/polygamy marriage relationships are TOTALLY different from child abuse, thats exactly what i said. Maybe read it again
To what conceivable benefit? :)
 
not saying you are wrong cause i admit i simply do not know, you may be 100% correct but what stat legalizes marriage at 14 to another person much older (not just another teen) without parnet consent and pedophiles are stereotypically attracted to per-pubesent children. working with youths, 14 aint it.

Until 2008, in Virginia, the law stated:
18.2-66. Effect of subsequent marriage to child over fourteen years of age.

If the carnal knowledge is with the consent of the child and such child is fourteen years of age or older, the subsequent marriage of the parties may be pleaded to any indictment found against the accused. The court, upon proof of such marriage, and that the parties are living together as husband and wife, and that the accused has properly provided for, supported, and maintained and is at the time properly providing, supporting and maintaining the spouse and the issue of such marriage, if any, shall continue the case from time to time and from term to term, until the spouse reaches the age of sixteen years. Thereupon the court shall dismiss the indictment already found against the accused for the aforesaid offense. However, if the accused deserts such spouse before the spouse reaches the age of sixteen without just cause, any indictment found against the accused for such offense shall be tried without regard to the number of times the case has been continued, and whether such continuance is entered upon the order book.
Note that in Virginia, "Carnal Knowledge of a Child" only applies to ages 13 and 14, so this marriage law only applied to 14 year olds.
(under 13 is rape, and 15 to 17 is the misdemeanor "leading to the deliquency of a child" for adults 18 and older).

Now, it was repealed because over the years marriage laws changed and a 14 year old could no longer marry even with parental consent.
 
It's a very poor slippery-slopes argument. I'm sure some fringe element in the 1960's argued that giving equal rights to blacks would eventually lead to us giving equal rights to animals. It simply doesn't work like that.
 
Until 2008, in Virginia, the law stated:
Note that in Virginia, "Carnal Knowledge of a Child" only applies to ages 13 and 14, so this marriage law only applied to 14 year olds.
(under 13 is rape, and 15 to 17 is the misdemeanor "leading to the deliquency of a child" for adults 18 and older).

Now, it was repealed because over the years marriage laws changed and a 14 year old could no longer marry even with parental consent.

thanks for the info, lots of similar stuff was in the link he gave me also, about history, marriage down to 16, 15, 14 but usually only with parental consent +/- judge/social worker/court order/pregnancy
 
It's a very poor slippery-slopes argument. I'm sure some fringe element in the 1960's argued that giving equal rights to blacks would eventually lead to us giving equal rights to animals. It simply doesn't work like that.

exactly the vast majority of these arguments used against minority rights, womens rights and interracial marriage were nonsensical, illogical and bigoted then and that holds true today also.
 
Of course not..
Rights...............are for adults, but not adults with the mind of a child.....in other words, the state must limits rights.
 
Many years ago, I was listening to a radio talk show in San Francisco, and the guest was some guy who tracked NAMBLA. "Tracked" as in keeping tabs on them because he sought to limit their progress and influence. A "watch dog, if you will.

Anyway, he said that groups like NAMBLA had been researching the very beginnings of the gay acceptance movement from decades earlier and were actively planning the same strategies.

Don't be so sure it will never happen. It probably won't happen in any of our lifetimes, but that doesn't mean it never will.
 
Back
Top Bottom