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Thread: Time for Alcohol Control?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    NOT from what I have learned....
    Lets try intelligence rather than stupidity in solving these problems.
    Smoking cigarettes is a good case in point.
    But, I notice that its only the poor who smoke......generally.
    Why ?
    Everyone (except my family) seems to drink...rich or poor.
    Why ?
    Today, the penalty for DUI is so great, that I'd think that no man would dare......
    And yet, they still do.
    Because alcohol is an intoxicant.

    Look at the CDC statistics, millions of (self reported) people commit DUI's every year.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    If someone had a BAC of 0.30 or something, THAT would be close to deadly intent.

    Just because one may drive while under the influence does not mean they have a total disregard for human life.
    This is the "state of denial" that I speak of.. They (the drunk) do indeed have NO regard for anyone, but....to change this attitude.........
    How ?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Apart from the whole gun/alcohol thread, getting behind the wheel, under the influence of any intoxicant, is pretty damn idiotic/neglegent.
    It's not like it isn't well known.
    Do you understand what "intent" means? I don't disagree that it's idiotic. It's idiotic as hell. But, it's not the same thing. Someone who gets behind the wheel under the influence does not have an intent to harm. Someone who walks into a school fully loaded surely does.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is the "state of denial" that I speak of.. They (the drunk) do indeed have NO regard for anyone, but....to change this attitude.........
    How ?
    What about someone who blows a 0.09? Does someone who is under the influence have an intent to kill someone?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Do you understand what "intent" means? I don't disagree that it's idiotic. It's idiotic as hell. But, it's not the same thing. Someone who gets behind the wheel under the influence does not have an intent to harm. Someone who walks into a school fully loaded surely does.
    It's implied intent.
    Just like grip pointed out, getting behind the wheel is gambling with your life and others.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    What about someone who blows a 0.09? Does someone who is under the influence have an intent to kill someone?
    I get drunk off half a beer.
    My BAC would be low, but I'd still be drunk, because I rarely if ever drink.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Do you understand what "intent" means? I don't disagree that it's idiotic. It's idiotic as hell. But, it's not the same thing. Someone who gets behind the wheel under the influence does not have an intent to harm. Someone who walks into a school fully loaded surely does.
    The "not caring if you hurt someone" and "intentionally hurting someone" is different how? They're both criminal intent "mens rea".
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's implied intent.
    Just like grip pointed out, getting behind the wheel is gambling with your life and others.
    Implied intent?

    What in the world does 'implied intent' mean? You either intend to do something or don't. Walking into a school fully loaded you surely have an intent.

    While driving under the influence, you're 'intent' is NOT to kill people. Both are despicable. One is definitely more despicable than the other.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The "not caring if you hurt someone" and "intentionally hurting someone" is different how? They're both criminal intent "mens rea".
    So all people who blow above a 0.08 do not care if they hurt someone?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Implied intent?

    What in the world does 'implied intent' mean? You either intend to do something or don't. Walking into a school fully loaded you surely have an intent.

    While driving under the influence, you're 'intent' is NOT to kill people. Both are despicable. One is definitely more despicable than the other.
    It's not an actual legal term, but the knowledge that alcohol is a depressent and can alter your ability to make rational judgment calls, is well known, it's implied that you know it when you consume it.
    When you get behind the wheel, under the influence, you know that you shouldn't, yet you still do.
    That clearly means you're willing to subject everyone to the known risk of being under the influence, while driving a vehicle.
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