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Thread: Time for Alcohol Control?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    I see it as a choice if we use it or not. Your still responsible for your actions even after you drink 8 beers then decide to drive drunk. Restrictions will lead to a repressed era in the U.S. and America was founded on the beliefs of Democracy; choice, representation, and an open society.

    Please don't ask for a total ban, another Prohibition will spike crime rates as it did during the 20s-30s. Remember Al Capone and other Prohibition Era Mobsters that smuggled alcohol from places such as the Caribbean and Canada; This lead to Mob Warfare, Massacres such as the "Valentines Day Massacre", and resentment for not having the ability to have the cold beer after a day of work.
    Crime was level during prohibition, at least the the NY Times article says so.

    Third, violent crime did not increase dramatically during Prohibition. Homicide rates rose dramatically from 1900 to 1910 but remained roughly constant during Prohibition's 14 year rule. Organized crime may have become more visible and lurid during Prohibition, but it existed before and after.
    Actually, Prohibition Was a Success - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It wasn't illegal to consume under prohibition, it was illegal to make and sell.
    Most alcohol here is done through private sales.

    Although there are some areas, that do the gov alcohol shop.
    That was one of the conditions of the repeal of prohibition is that the provinces had to have Liquor Control Boards to sell alcohol and very province but Alberta I believe still controls alcohol sales. THopugh here in Onatrio beer is sold at private stores but anything with a higher alcohol content or is foreign can usually only be bought at government stores.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That was one of the conditions of the repeal of prohibition is that the provinces had to have Liquor Control Boards to sell alcohol and very province but Alberta I believe still controls alcohol sales. THopugh here in Onatrio beer is sold at private stores but anything with a higher alcohol content or is foreign can usually only be bought at government stores.
    Well the point here is that the effects of legal alcohol on society, are arguably worse than many others.
    It's directly related to many causes of death, accidents, disease, etc and poses a large externality on society.

    Limiting sales, alcohol by volume and prohibiting law violators from purchasing, via background checks, is meant to control the ugly aspects of alcohol consumption.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well the point here is that the effects of legal alcohol on society, are arguably worse than many others.
    It's directly related to many causes of death, accidents, disease, etc and poses a large externality on society.

    Limiting sales, alcohol by volume and prohibiting law violators from purchasing, via background checks, is meant to control the ugly aspects of alcohol consumption.
    Alcohol serves far more of a purpose in society than guns will at least here. If a mentally ill person drinks a lot of alcohol they were probably become incapacitated, not go shoot up a school let alone hold a gun. Alcohol can be controlled by public awareness and not placing restrictions on alcohol though like I said things like drunk driving should be heavily punished.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    @Harry Guerrilla

    But is it morally right to ban alcohol for everyone, just because a certain amount abuse it. It seems like we are punishing the wrong people again. I drink, but I don't binge drink.

    Alcohol has been around mankind for as long as we could farm, heck its practicality apart of us. To deny someone of it, is to deny a human right of choice. You're a Libertarian, You should see this point of view.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Considering all the talk of gun control lately, let's review the facts around alcohol and consider some further restrictions around another "death causer."
    That is alcohol.

    CDC figures on alcohol related deaths.



    FASTSTATS - Alcohol Use



    CDC - Impaired Driving Facts - Motor Vehicle Safety - Injury Center



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    I propose,

    A background check system, for all alcohol purchases, supported by a fee, probably $25 per purchase.

    A limit to the amount of alcohol containers, that can be purchased per day.

    The limiting of alcohol percentages per volume, probably 5% or less.

    What say you?


    Ever since the advent of drinking and driving laws, accidents and fatalities have steadily decreased. Image the lives saved if ya'll had stricter gun laws.

    And if you killed yourself with a gun, that would be your prerogative. As long as it's only you.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It reduced consumption and potentially alcohol disease related deaths.
    Until the government started spiking ethanol with methanol and killing thousands of people who didn't know they were about to drink poison, all in the name of stopping those evil drug users.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Also, back in prohibition we didn't have Mandatory Minimums so in a few years they were out and committing crimes again. Nowadays, you could probably put a 25 year minimum and nobody will blink.
    And this is a good thing? Why we are giving out life sentences for victimless crimes?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    And this is a good thing? Why we are giving out life sentences for victimless crimes?
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Let's do it the Swedish way. The government will own all alcohol stores and decide the hours of operation and prices. One can buy "weak beer" (~3%) at convenience stores, but strong beer, spirits and wine can only be purchased at government establishments (and restaurants/bars, no carry-out).

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