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Thread: Time for Alcohol Control?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That was the exacts same argument used by prohibitionists and look how that turned out.
    It reduced consumption and potentially alcohol disease related deaths.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    How about just restricting the sale of alcohol to those 1oz shot bottles and requiring that everyone register every time they want to buy a bottle?
    That's a lot of red tape for a solution that could easily lead to a revival of speak-easies and the return of alcohol to the black market. On the surface its a good idea, but just because there's a law on the books against something doesn't mean people won't do it. See: marijuana, gun violence, and (in my state) sodomy.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It reduced consumption and potentially alcohol disease related deaths.
    Well considering it was all underground and we have no way of calculating statistics, we have no idea if that is true.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    That's a lot of red tape for a solution that could easily lead to a revival of speak-easies and the return of alcohol to the black market. On the surface its a good idea, but just because there's a law on the books against something doesn't mean people won't do it. See: marijuana, gun violence, and (in my state) sodomy.
    I thought all anti-sodomy laws were overturned in the U.S.?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Well considering it was all underground and we have no way of calculating statistics, we have no idea if that is true.
    Orly?

    First, the regime created in 1919 by the 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act, which charged the Treasury Department with enforcement of the new restrictions, was far from all-embracing. The amendment prohibited the commercial manufacture and distribution of alcoholic beverages; it did not prohibit use, nor production for one's own consumption. Moreover, the provisions did not take effect until a year after passage -plenty of time for people to stockpile supplies.

    Second, alcohol consumption declined dramatically during Prohibition. Cirrhosis death rates for men were 29.5 per 100,000 in 1911 and 10.7 in 1929. Admissions to state mental hospitals for alcoholic psychosis declined from 10.1 per 100,000 in 1919 to 4.7 in 1928.

    Arrests for public drunkennness and disorderly conduct declined 50 percent between 1916 and 1922. For the population as a whole, the best estimates are that consumption of alcohol declined by 30 percent to 50 percent.

    Third, violent crime did not increase dramatically during Prohibition. Homicide rates rose dramatically from 1900 to 1910 but remained roughly constant during Prohibition's 14 year rule. Organized crime may have become more visible and lurid during Prohibition, but it existed before and after.

    Fourth, following the repeal of Prohibition, alcohol consumption increased. Today, alcohol is estimated to be the cause of more than 23,000 motor vehicle deaths and is implicated in more than half of the nation's 20,000 homicides. In contrast, drugs have not yet been persuasively linked to highway fatalities and are believed to account for 10 percent to 20 percent of homicides.
    Actually, Prohibition Was a Success - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    That's a lot of red tape for a solution that could easily lead to a revival of speak-easies and the return of alcohol to the black market. On the surface its a good idea, but just because there's a law on the books against something doesn't mean people won't do it. See: marijuana, gun violence, and (in my state) sodomy.
    Interesting....so if that's the case then how is registering all firearms and banning 30 round magazines going to stop gun violence?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Now please tell me why if alcohol was illegal would people admit themselves or others to mental hospitals or risk going out in public to drunk? The other point is that is very profitable for governments especially if they are the ones selling the alcohol like they do here.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    It won't stop it but it will certainly reduce it

    A lot of people are scared to commit crimes and alcohol is a bulky drug to transport.

    Also, back in prohibition we didn't have Mandatory Minimums so in a few years they were out and committing crimes again. Nowadays, you could probably put a 25 year minimum and nobody will blink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    That's a lot of red tape for a solution that could easily lead to a revival of speak-easies and the return of alcohol to the black market. On the surface its a good idea, but just because there's a law on the books against something doesn't mean people won't do it. See: marijuana, gun violence, and (in my state) sodomy.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Now please tell me why if alcohol was illegal would people admit themselves or others to mental hospitals or risk going out in public to drunk? The other point is that is very profitable for governments especially if they are the ones selling the alcohol like they do here.
    It wasn't illegal to consume under prohibition, it was illegal to make and sell.
    Most alcohol here is done through private sales.

    Although there are some areas, that do the gov alcohol shop.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    I see it as a choice if we use it or not. Your still responsible for your actions even after you drink 8 beers then decide to drive drunk. Restrictions will lead to a repressed era in the U.S. and America was founded on the beliefs of Democracy; choice, representation, and an open society.

    Please don't ask for a total ban, another Prohibition will spike crime rates as it did during the 20s-30s. Remember Al Capone and other Prohibition Era Mobsters that smuggled alcohol from places such as the Caribbean and Canada; This lead to Mob Warfare, Massacres such as the "Valentines Day Massacre", and resentment for not having the ability to have the cold beer after a day of work.

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