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Thread: Time for Alcohol Control?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Well, considering this thread specifically relates to gun control and alcohol one could see where I would spend most of my comment on gun violence..
    So what's your answer to gun violence?
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    And children die as a result of misuse of alcohol.
    Yes they do.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    So what's your answer to gun violence?
    Harsher punishments, stricter measures, stricter adherence to the laws in place, stricter background checks, etc.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Harsher punishments, stricter measures, stricter adherence to the laws in place, stricter background checks, etc.

    Why not just make handguns illegal and confiscate them all?
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Why not just make handguns illegal and confiscate them all?
    I don't support that.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Harsher punishments, stricter measures, stricter adherence to the laws in place, stricter background checks, etc.
    Would you apply those some of those same standards to serial alcohol law violators.
    Background checks make sense in that regard.

    As it is, a serial alcohol law violator, has no restrictions on the continued use of alcohol.
    There are no retail checks to stop him/her.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I don't support that.
    Why not, wouldn't that be the most effective measure?
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Why not, wouldn't that be the most effective measure?
    I respect a person's right to own a gun.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I respect a person's right to own a gun.
    So we're talking about restriction of freedom, not just the item being restricted. The freedom to bear arms is supposed to be a constitutional right. Anything with the power to defend me is going to have the equal power to assault and kill someone, innocent and unfairly.

    It's all about the freedom, where does others begin and mine end? It's where the law says it does what I've been saying all along. We can slice and dice the gun laws all day and it won't change hardly a hair on the criminal averages, short of complete gun confiscation. And even that would not work out very well.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Would you apply those some of those same standards to serial alcohol law violators.
    Background checks make sense in that regard.

    As it is, a serial alcohol law violator, has no restrictions on the continued use of alcohol.
    There are no retail checks to stop him/her.
    Again, and again, and again, there's a difference between unintentionally killing someone while intoxicated and shooting up a school.

    And to be able to own a gun requires more extensive background check because a gun can most definitely cause greater violence, on per case basis, than alcohol.
    Last edited by zstep18; 01-10-13 at 11:13 PM.

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