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Thread: Time for Alcohol Control?

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So all people who blow above a 0.08 do not care if they hurt someone?
    You're talking shades of grey here. And obviously anyone above the legal limit behind a wheel doesn't care enough about their own safety or anyone else, that's why they go to jail. If I go to just shoot someone and end up killing them will the law note the difference?
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're talking shades of grey here. And obviously anyone above the legal limit behind a wheel doesn't care enough about their own safety or anyone else, that's why they go to jail. If I go to just shoot someone and end up killing them will the law note the difference?
    Someone who drives 10 miles over speed limit has a certain disregard for everyones safety as well. Obviously they don't care as much about their own safety. Should they be put on the same level as murderers?

    Probably not.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Someone who drives 10 miles over speed limit has a certain disregard for everyones safety as well. Obviously they don't care as much about their own safety. Should they be put on the same level as murderers?

    Probably not.
    Not necessarily.
    Speed limits aren't always designed for public safety.

    In fact, they can reduce public safety, by reducing the speed of some drivers below the prevailing speed.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Someone who drives 10 miles over speed limit has a certain disregard for everyones safety as well. Obviously they don't care as much about their own safety. Should they be put on the same level as murderers?

    Probably not.

    If they hit and hurt somebody, another car or pedestrian as a result of speeding they will be incarcerated. It a similar disregard for the safety of others.

    Not caring is not far off from malicious intent and is regarded as so under the law.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If they hit and hurt somebody, another car or pedestrian as a result of speeding they will be incarcerated. It a similar disregard for the safety of others.

    Not caring is not far off from malicious intent and is regarded as so under the law.
    So we all have committed a disregard for others then. Yes?

    After all, we went over the speed limit. But, we didn't have an intent to kill someone.

    But, according to you, everyone who has went over the speed limit has an intent to kill someone, as as someone over the BAC, even 0.01 above the BAC.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So we all have committed a disregard for others then. Yes?

    After all, we went over the speed limit. But, we didn't have an intent to kill someone.

    But, according to you, everyone who has went over the speed limit has an intent to kill someone, as as someone over the BAC, even 0.01 above the BAC.
    I'm not going to keep explaining to you how the wheel works.

    The bottom line is that alcohol and guns don't hurt people, irresponsible and mentally disturbed people do. Restricting freedoms and choices from the public doesn't address the problem of crime. Laws are meant to improve freedom, so that everyones individual rights are not impeded and society as a whole is under equal protection. It's a fine line and balancing act, not to be over turned in a haste of emotions.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I'm not going to keep explaining to you how the wheel works.

    The bottom line is that alcohol and guns don't hurt people, irresponsible and mentally disturbed people do. Restricting freedoms and choices from the public doesn't address the problem of crime. Laws are meant to improve freedom, so that everyones individual rights are not impeded and society as a whole is under equal protection. It's a fine line and balancing act, not to be over turned in a haste of emotions.
    I guess I look at guns specifically as it relates to schools. I don't want guns banned all together. Believe me. I actually want to get a gun myself one day (if the other half lets me!).

    If we have people armed in schools, which is the alternative, how does that play into the psychology of the kids at school?

    And I was so adamant about the drunk driving case mostly because I was in mock trial and the biggest case I dealt with was a drunk driving case.

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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I guess I look at guns specifically as it relates to schools. I don't want guns banned all together. Believe me. I actually want to get a gun myself one day (if the other half lets me!).

    If we have people armed in schools, which is the alternative, how does that play into the psychology of the kids at school?
    The point of this thread, was to question how far are people willing to go in order to preserve life, by restricting access to something that is shown to be dangerous, but that they also use more often and/or find acceptable.
    Alcohol and guns are very different animals, they do share some common characteristics (use for different cultural groups, entertainment, etc.)

    I'm guessing most people don't want to restrict access to alcohol, even though there are far larger, negative societal effects.
    To me, it's a contradiction in beliefs.
    I want to know why people will make excuses for one side, but not the other.

    I'd rather people own up to, "hey I accept there will be bad things that happen, it's not right, but that's the price of living in a somewhat free society."
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Considering all the talk of gun control lately, let's review the facts around alcohol and consider some further restrictions around another "death causer."
    That is alcohol.

    CDC figures on alcohol related deaths.



    FASTSTATS - Alcohol Use



    CDC - Impaired Driving Facts - Motor Vehicle Safety - Injury Center



    WHO | Alcohol

    I propose,

    A background check system, for all alcohol purchases, supported by a fee, probably $25 per purchase.

    A limit to the amount of alcohol containers, that can be purchased per day.

    The limiting of alcohol percentages per volume, probably 5% or less.

    What say you?
    They tried gun control and alcohol control. Both were miserable failures.
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    Re: Time for Alcohol Control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    They tried gun control and alcohol control. Both were miserable failures.
    Contrary to popular belief, prohibition reduced consumption and disease associated with alcohol.
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