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Thread: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Guns?

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Since some guns are illegally obtained from legal owners, I'm sure it'd go down a miniscule amount. However, not enough to be worth it.

    The only way to remove the supply of A is to remove the demand of A. Why are Betamax VCRs no longer made? Nobody wants one.

    When nobody wants a gun, guns will disappear. Short of that, it won't happen. It might go black market, but supply comes from demand.

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Of course they will. They don't typically obtain them by legal means.
    They were talking about a study on the radio that first-time gun-using criminals only purchased their guns legally 8-12% of the time. 45% of them were obtained in the black market, another 40% were borrowed or stolen from friends or family members, there were some other options in there too. Even if you made gun ownership illegal, at least 45% would still get guns from black market sources and I suspect that most other criminals would just move to that option.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    No, if only because we already have millions of guns floating around. Banning the sale of guns won't destroy those that were already sold.

    No politician is stupid enough to suggest an outright gun ban, though, so chill out.
    No, not millions, billions. With a "b".
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They were talking about a study on the radio that first-time gun-using criminals only purchased their guns legally 8-12% of the time. 45% of them were obtained in the black market, another 40% were borrowed or stolen from friends or family members, there were some other options in there too. Even if you made gun ownership illegal, at least 45% would still get guns from black market sources and I suspect that most other criminals would just move to that option.
    Iirc, the FBI once had those stats published on their site, and I had it bookmarked, but it's no longer an active link. Do you have a new link with the information?
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Iirc, the FBI once had those stats published on their site, and I had it bookmarked, but it's no longer an active link. Do you have a new link with the information?
    No, I wish I did, like I said, I heard it on the radio a day or two ago.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Conspiracy theory at it's finest. LOL!

    I've been on the other side and switched sides. The only thing I don't like about being over here is putting up with so many conspiracy theorists and loons. Of course, many people probably think I'm a loon because I have some pretty radical views - but in my book a logical conclusion is a logical conclusion and there's no getting around it. In the end even outlawing tanks won't stop or reduce mass murders. The violence is a societal problem and treating a symptom like mass murderers with guns doesn't really solve anything. There are too many other options even if we got rid of all the guns. If people want to commit violent acts you can't really stop them (in advance) from doing so. If you want to stop the violence you have to address the social issues that cause it, which is where most Republicans and many Democrats fail.
    Conspracy theory at it's finest?????

    There's nothing theoretcal about Obama and the Dems in Washington D.C. wanting to get rid of our guns. The signs are everywhere and have been going on since before 2008!

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Conspracy theory at it's finest?????

    There's nothing theoretcal about Obama and the Dems in Washington D.C. wanting to get rid of our guns. The signs are everywhere and have been going on since before 2008!
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Black market demand for guns remain inelastic, even in nations where there is a lot more gun control than the United States. If the intention is to address access to guns by those who might shoot up a school, then it would be more realistic to address bullying in schools as well as the lack of mental health resources available to the sick. Almost every school shooting from Columbine onward involved cases of intense bullying or individuals being treated for psychiatric disorders. The most recent assailent in the Connecticut massacre was on SSRIs for major depression and his family reported he was known to have withdrawl symptoms when missing doses, as well as being prone to suicidal ideation.

    Every Federal administration since Bush Sr. has successively cut funding from the mental health sector and this has left a lot of people hanging out to dry. Not to mention, a lot of students in schools are dealing with intense mental health problems as a result of the ailing education system, poor supervision and classroom resources, and constant bullying.

    I don't think blaming guns alone is going to solve this problem. The same week that the Connecticut shootings happened, a man in China injured 22 children at a school using a knife. The media will blame guns but our society's over all mental health is not in good shape.

    Also, one last thing, the media is hugely to blame for the repeat in shootings, as this forensic psychiatrist will explain in this short youtube clip:


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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    So what you're telling me is, deploying a Deputy to every school in the country won't stop massacres from happening. It potentially mitigates them, by an unknown amount, and still failed to stop the attackers. By sheer luck, one of the attacker's weapons jammed. But he was not shot or wounded by the Deputy.

    So, we might as well put up cardboard print-outs of kids, and hope the attackers shoot at those, and jam their guns, right? About as effective as the lone officer in this case.
    Stop making silly protests. It does not win your argument any more fans.

    BTW, here is a quote from Larry Ward, the organzer of GUN APPRECIATION DAY, scheduled for Jan. 19, two days before Obama's second term swearing in.


    Gun rights coalition proclaims Jan. 19 as
    “The Obama administration has shown that it is more than willing to trample the Constitution to impose its dictates upon the American people,” said Ward, president of Political Media, Inc. “If the American people don’t fight back now, Obama will do the Second Amendment what he has already done to the First with Obamacare – gut it without a moment’s thought to our basic constitutional rights.”

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    You're almost as smart as this guy
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