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Thread: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Guns?

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Meh, there would obviously be new laws enacted after guns are turned in, to prevent the further use of any weapons which haven't been accounted for.

    This is never going to be a simple yea or nay question.

    Say for example, if a new law enacted would allow for castration or the chopping off of a hand for anyone found with an illegal weapon.

    There are lots of variables IMO.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? There are 300 million+ guns in the USA, so every criminal can have 3,000 of them yet, somehow, that does not occur. That is akin to saying that every alcoholic started life by drinking milk. While probably true, that it is correlation and not causation. Try again.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Meh, there would obviously be new laws enacted after guns are turned in, to prevent the further use of any weapons which haven't been accounted for.

    This is never going to be a simple yea or nay question.

    Say for example, if a new law enacted would allow for castration or the chopping off of a hand for anyone found with an illegal weapon.

    There are lots of variables IMO.
    Jeez, don't say that! People will think you're serious, and then proceed to tell us how in their great and long experience, castration and...dehandment...have never worked in stopping illegal gun ownership. Well, at least someone will

    Worse, others will think all Democrats want to introduce legislation to that effect.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Meh, there would obviously be new laws enacted after guns are turned in, to prevent the further use of any weapons which haven't been accounted for.

    This is never going to be a simple yea or nay question.

    Say for example, if a new law enacted would allow for castration or the chopping off of a hand for anyone found with an illegal weapon.

    There are lots of variables IMO.

    Some country, I think it is Indonesia, already mandates the Death Penalty for being found with the tiniest amount of narcotics.

    Guess what?

    (Yup, they still have drugs...)

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Laura80L View Post
    To what extent do the people visiting this thread wish to control gun ownership? (of those who favor controlling gun ownership, that is)
    Like pretty much everyone here (except those stubborn enough to say they already know), I'd like to see some comprehensive studies conducted. Ideally, they'll take into provide recommendations for areas of different demographics and population densities (you can't compare hicksville Montana to Chicago or LA). Based on that, I'd like to see legislation, and I'm sure there would be legislation of some type, because we have far too much gun violence at present to not do anything.

    Right now, I personally advocate reduction/elimination of weapons that exceed those required for self-defense and hunting (you don't need an AR-15 for hunting game). At the same time, I'd like to see California and New York become shall-issue states for concealed carry permits, and I'd like to see most states decrease the requirements for a concealed weapons permit (I don't know what they are at present, state-by-state, but concealed firearms are largely beneficial).

    I do not think we need to put guns at schools, in the form of armed guards (there was one at Columbine, by the way). I would be okay with removing most no-gun areas, with the exception of places like courts.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Like pretty much everyone here (except those stubborn enough to say they already know), I'd like to see some comprehensive studies conducted. Ideally, they'll take into provide recommendations for areas of different demographics and population densities (you can't compare hicksville Montana to Chicago or LA). Based on that, I'd like to see legislation, and I'm sure there would be legislation of some type, because we have far too much gun violence at present to not do anything.

    Right now, I personally advocate reduction/elimination of weapons that exceed those required for self-defense and hunting (you don't need an AR-15 for hunting game). At the same time, I'd like to see California and New York become shall-issue states for concealed carry permits, and I'd like to see most states decrease the requirements for a concealed weapons permit (I don't know what they are at present, state-by-state, but concealed firearms are largely beneficial).

    I do not think we need to put guns at schools, in the form of armed guards (there was one at Columbine, by the way). I would be okay with removing most no-gun areas, with the exception of places like courts.
    Two or more home intruders armed with weapons (hand guns or assault rifles) with kevlar body armor and multiple 20+ round mags would wait until my 20 round mag was empty and then move in on me to deliver a fatal shot.

    That's just one scenario where the proposed restrictions would play right into the bad guy's hands.

    Every long gun owner should know this.

    Almost NONE of the leading voices for gun control can offer a solution to that scenario and still believe in restricting mag sizes and assault weapons.

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? There are 300 million+ guns in the USA, so every criminal can have 3,000 of them yet, somehow, that does not occur. That is akin to saying that every alcoholic started life by drinking milk. While probably true, that it is correlation and not causation. Try again.

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Two or more home intruders armed with weapons (hand guns or assault rifles) with kevlar body armor and multiple 20+ round mags would wait until my 20 round mag was empty and then move in on me to deliver a fatal shot.

    That's just one scenario where the proposed restrictions would play right into the bad guy's hands.

    Every long gun owner should know this.

    Almost NONE of the leading voices for gun control can offer a solution to that scenario and still believe in restricting mag sizes and assault weapons.
    Has this, or something comparable, ever happened? To an average citizen?

    My initial thought is that if someone comes after you with that much firepower, you're either in a Bruce Willis movie, lying, or you have some really serious lifestyle choices to rethink.

    Tell you what, if you find a time this has actually happened, and then we'll talk.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Has this, or something comparable, ever happened? To an average citizen?

    My initial thought is that if someone comes after you with that much firepower, you're either in a Bruce Willis movie, lying, or you have some really serious lifestyle choices to rethink.

    Tell you what, if you find a time this has actually happened, and then we'll talk.
    The Pentagon and our political braintrust in Washington DC (HA!!!) learned a lesson about the dangers of preparing for the PREVIOUS war rather than THE NEXT WAR.

    Tell me when someone shot a Congressperson at a Safeway store before Gabby Giffords was shot?

    Tell me when a theater was shot up before Aurora.

    When had 19 hijackers slammed jetliners into skyscrapers before 9/11?

    The 9/11 Commission Report blamed the successful attack on a failure of imagination.

    Wouldn't that indictment also apply to your shortsighted view?

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Do you believe that criminals will still have access to guns if a law is enacted to take guns away from law abiding citizens?

    Yes or No

    No 'maybe's' or 'sometimes' or 'I don't know's'

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