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Thread: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Guns?

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    No, if only because we already have millions of guns floating around. Banning the sale of guns won't destroy those that were already sold.

    No politician is stupid enough to suggest an outright gun ban, though, so chill out.
    Diane Feinswine and a GOP judge both want complete confiscation of the stuff called "assault weapons"

    those who think gun bans will stop crime would probably support a complete gun ban if you asked them while having them attached to a car battery. The only reason they don't admit it now is that they now being honest would retard their agenda

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Is there a point to this thread, Marsden, besides serving as a center for right-wing anti-government tirades, and ridiculous hypothetical situations?
    sort of like your claims that the purpose of gun control is the collective good?

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends, if it does nothing to reduce the number of guns in society then it will have no affect and Criminals will still get guns. If it's at the end of a massive and thorough confiscation policy which drastically reduces the number of guns in the country; then yes it will reduce (perhaps not eliminate in full) the number of criminals getting guns.


    That.

    There are already around 300 million guns in America. Many, perhaps most, are not registered or there is no current paperwork tying them to their current owner. Stats on Canada and Australia's gun registration/confiscation activities suggest low compliance... in America it would undoubtably be lower still.

    In brief, even with a total ban it is very likely most of those 300 million guns would NOT be turned in.

    To have any significant effect on criminals ability to get guns, you'd have to go full-on police state with house-to-house searches... either without warrants or with warrants issued without probable cause in many cases. Cops and agents would spend millions of man hours walking through fields and woods with metal detectors looking for buried gun caches. It would take truly draconian Police State measures over the course of quite a few years to even put a major dent in the number of guns floating around in America.

    Short of such drastic action, no you're not going to significantly reduce the availability of guns to criminals... just make criminals of formerly honest people.

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Yes. The point is that I'm tired of repeatedly preparing and posting posts which assume the gun control fans are stupid.

    I want some assurance they are aware that bad guys will always be able to get guns and that by banning guns for everybody only the bad guys will have guns. Then, they will be better able to shoot the good guys.

    If we can get past this elementary understanding then maybe real progress might be made in this ongoing debate.
    I think if you're talking to someone who doesn't come into the conversation with this understanding, you're much better off talking to a wall, at least it'll crumble over time. The extremes on both sides are not worth talking to and not even worth our contempt.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sort of like your claims that the purpose of gun control is the collective good?
    My claim that gun control can decrease gun violence is comparable to a right-wing anti-government tirade/ridiculous hypothetical situation?

    If there weren't facts to back up my position, I might agree it is just as baseless. Sadly, for you, it's not.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That.

    There are already around 300 million guns in America. Many, perhaps most, are not registered or there is no current paperwork tying them to their current owner. Stats on Canada and Australia's gun registration/confiscation activities suggest low compliance... in America it would undoubtably be lower still.

    In brief, even with a total ban it is very likely most of those 300 million guns would NOT be turned in.

    To have any significant effect on criminals ability to get guns, you'd have to go full-on police state with house-to-house searches... either without warrants or with warrants issued without probable cause in many cases. Cops and agents would spend millions of man hours walking through fields and woods with metal detectors looking for buried gun caches. It would take truly draconian Police State measures over the course of quite a few years to even put a major dent in the number of guns floating around in America.

    Short of such drastic action, no you're not going to significantly reduce the availability of guns to criminals... just make criminals of formerly honest people.
    most cops would quit-that would be a death sentence to have to do a job like that.

    when cincinnati required people to register "assault weapons" in order not to be in violation of the ban less than 100 were registered. I have personal knowledge of at least several thousand such weapons being owned in the city limits

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    My claim that gun control can decrease gun violence is comparable to a right-wing anti-government tirade/ridiculous hypothetical situation?

    If there weren't facts to back up my position, I might agree it is just as baseless. Sadly, for you, it's not.
    you have no facts to back up your position. anti gun groups tried to prove that the clinton gun laws saved lives the best that could be established is that suicides among one group of men (50-55 IIRC) MAY have decreased due to the Brady waiting period. as to the AWB-zero evidence

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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you have no facts to back up your position. anti gun groups tried to prove that the clinton gun laws saved lives the best that could be established is that suicides among one group of men (50-55 IIRC) MAY have decreased due to the Brady waiting period. as to the AWB-zero evidence
    There is a definite difference from having no facts, and having your facts ignored by an arrogant opponent. As it is, I'd like to see a source for your claim. Besides your vaunted experience, friend. Your experience means nothing here. If you don't understand that, well, I don't know what to tell you.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Every criminal was once a good guy until, well, they changed. So, if you take away the guns from the good guys, there won't be any more criminals. Problem solved.
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    What? There are 300 million+ guns in the USA, so every criminal can have 3,000 of them yet, somehow, that does not occur. That is akin to saying that every alcoholic started life by drinking milk. While probably true, that it is correlation and not causation. Try again.
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    Re: Will Criminals Still Have Access to Guns if the Law Takes Away the Good Guy's Gun

    To what extent do the people visiting this thread wish to control gun ownership? (of those who favor controlling gun ownership, that is)
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