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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    Calling someone crazy because they have a different viewpoint than me is weak minded and immature.

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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    No. He's a troll. He doesn't believe in half the **** he spews, but he knows there's money to be made in the spewing of it. Very similar to Glen Beck, though I think Beck actually probably did believe Romney was going to fulfill the White Horse Prophecy.
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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    I'm a conservative who likes to listen to Alex Jones for a good laugh every once in a while.

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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not quite, the government desires disarmed populations. So, whenever something happens that can be used it gets hyped in the media in an attempt to sell people on the idea of disarmament.

    Then people buy into the lies after the trauma and while fearful for themselves and their families.


    Because they have been sold (and bought into) the lie that they should be defenseless for their safety.
    Still more paranoia.


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, and car accidents have a deleterious effect on many peoples lives, but there's no talk about banning cars.

    People must realize that a gun is a tool that can be used for good or bad, just like a hammer can build a house or smash a skull. It's about the people wielding the tool, and since Theres a large mass of people on psychotropic drugs who might get their hands on a gun and try to shoot people, it's that much more important to be able to defend yourself and to increase the odds for yourself and any other potential victims.
    Most people aren't going to look at guns like hammers because more people use and own hammers than use and own guns. As for your last sentence, it's stuff like that that gets in the way of serious discussion. Trying to paint the streets of America back into the (romanticized) Old West colors will not work. People want security and most of them don't believe they will find it with armed citizens acting like vigilantes.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Hell, why not ban spoons because that's made millions of people fat and obesity has a "deleterious effect" on many peoples lives.
    We tried that once for a different reason (I Can't Drive 55!) and it did reduce highway deaths. Then business decided it cost too much money so it was repealed. However, the government does up the ante every so often requiring car companies to incorporate new safety devices into new models.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    But, nobody wants to discuss this issue as an issue of mental health and morality rather than an issue of guns...
    I agree, they don't, and part of the problem is the NRA et al refuses to address the concerns of the other side. You can't force your views on the majority. Far better to concentrate on the causes of gun violence and address those issues than to use the vigilante or extremist arguments (government plot - Really? ). Those will get you no where with the general population and, in fact, often exacerbate the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Still more paranoia.
    Oh, that's ok, you're of the belief that government is pushing for gun control for only benevolent reasons.


    Most people aren't going to look at guns like hammers because more people use and own hammers than use and own guns.
    And since hammers kill people yearly more than guns do, sounds like I should be more concerned about a person walking the streets with a hammer than a gun.

    As for your last sentence, it's stuff like that that gets in the way of serious discussion. Trying to paint the streets of America back into the (romanticized) Old West colors will not work. People want security and most of them don't believe they will find it with armed citizens acting like vigilantes.
    Ya, prisons are secure... People don't want THAT MUCH security, yet that's what it would take to get guns out.

    It's not about acting like a vigilante, it's about protecting yourself against predators.



    We tried that once for a different reason (I Can't Drive 55!) and it did reduce highway deaths. Then business decided it cost too much money so it was repealed. However, the government does up the ante every so often requiring car companies to incorporate new safety devices into new models.
    Right, but we don't look at "problem cars" and try to ban specific cars, even if they are involved in more deaths than other models (even though the analogy doesn't work in that the weapons that are targeted are involved in the FEWEST CRIMES).

    I agree, they don't, and part of the problem is the NRA et al refuses to address the concerns of the other side.
    Ya, because the NRA doesn't want to end up like the smokers... Remember, first it was "hey, be nice and take your smoke to the smoking section over there, then they walked off the smoking section to appease the other side, then the non-smokers told te smokers to take it outside, now it's take it down the street...

    The NRA, as milk-toast as they are, are not willing to compromise, because once they give an inch the morons will try to take a mile.

    You can't force your views on the majority. Far better to concentrate on the causes of gun violence and address those issues than to use the vigilante or extremist arguments (government plot - Really? ). Those will get you no where with the general population and, in fact, often exacerbate the problem.
    You cant take the rights of the minority, actually that's why the rights are listed... Free speech is not to protect popular speech, but to protect what is unpopular,

    Stop calling it "gun" violence... It's just violence and people killing people, no different from when Cain killed Abel.

    But you wan to look at root causes, look to culture, look to the extent to which the population is medicated from ssri's which have on the label that a "side-effects" include suicide and psychotic episodes...

    You can't escape the fact that the last 3 examples in te past century of disarmament led directly to a situation that cost the lives of approximately 200 million people (that's not counting the wars tha occurred simultaneously).

    So, ya, if you explain to people that guns are important for more than just shooting, and history ha PROVEN that clearing out the guns from a society, at least more often then not, precedes a culling of the population.

    I'm still waiting for the "well, there are too many people" argument that the leftists hold close to their hearts.

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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Oh, that's ok, you're of the belief that government is pushing for gun control for only benevolent reasons.




    And since hammers kill people yearly more than guns do, sounds like I should be more concerned about a person walking the streets with a hammer than a gun.




    Ya, prisons are secure... People don't want THAT MUCH security, yet that's what it would take to get guns out.

    It's not about acting like a vigilante, it's about protecting yourself against predators.





    Right, but we don't look at "problem cars" and try to ban specific cars, even if they are involved in more deaths than other models (even though the analogy doesn't work in that the weapons that are targeted are involved in the FEWEST CRIMES).



    Ya, because the NRA doesn't want to end up like the smokers... Remember, first it was "hey, be nice and take your smoke to the smoking section over there, then they walked off the smoking section to appease the other side, then the non-smokers told te smokers to take it outside, now it's take it down the street...

    The NRA, as milk-toast as they are, are not willing to compromise, because once they give an inch the morons will try to take a mile.



    You cant take the rights of the minority, actually that's why the rights are listed... Free speech is not to protect popular speech, but to protect what is unpopular,

    Stop calling it "gun" violence... It's just violence and people killing people, no different from when Cain killed Abel.

    But you wan to look at root causes, look to culture, look to the extent to which the population is medicated from ssri's which have on the label that a "side-effects" include suicide and psychotic episodes...

    You can't escape the fact that the last 3 examples in te past century of disarmament led directly to a situation that cost the lives of approximately 200 million people (that's not counting the wars tha occurred simultaneously).

    So, ya, if you explain to people that guns are important for more than just shooting, and history ha PROVEN that clearing out the guns from a society, at least more often then not, precedes a culling of the population.

    I'm still waiting for the "well, there are too many people" argument that the leftists hold close to their hearts.
    Its time for you to slow down and check your facts. This ".. more people die from hammers than guns.." is just wrong. I know what you are citing. I think when you check this, you will realize the original fact grew legs and wandered way down the street to get to this wrong statement. Perhaps you should take a deep breath, check your facts and try your post again.

    The problem with misquoting facts is 1) you people like me taking you into the alley to beat you up and steer you from the point you were trying to make and 2) you have others hearing this, accepting it as truth and further misquoting, or worse, helping it wander even further down the street.
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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Right, but we don't look at "problem cars" and try to ban specific cars, even if they are involved in more deaths than other models (even though the analogy doesn't work in that the weapons that are targeted are involved in the FEWEST CRIMES).
    We don't try to ban them but we certainly do stop their production. Dangerous cars are not allowed to be sold in America and if a car is found to be dangerous after production, the car company is often required to fix the problem for free.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, because the NRA doesn't want to end up like the smokers... Remember, first it was "hey, be nice and take your smoke to the smoking section over there, then they walked off the smoking section to appease the other side, then the non-smokers told te smokers to take it outside, now it's take it down the street...

    The NRA, as milk-toast as they are, are not willing to compromise, because once they give an inch the morons will try to take a mile.
    I'm not talking about compromise - obviously you haven't taken a good look at my personal stance. I'm talking about changing the rhetoric to address the issues in terms the other side will understand. The NRA shouldn't be talking to appease it's members, that's like preaching to the choir. The NRA should be carrying on constructive dialogue and putting their position in terms non-gun owners will understand. Otherwise, they're just spinning their wheels and putting more mud in the air. That doesn't help. Sadly the NRA seems stuck in the same rut as most modern American businesses, short-term profit over long-term gain.


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You cant take the rights of the minority, actually that's why the rights are listed... Free speech is not to protect popular speech, but to protect what is unpopular,

    Stop calling it "gun" violence... It's just violence and people killing people, no different from when Cain killed Abel.

    But you wan to look at root causes, look to culture, look to the extent to which the population is medicated from ssri's which have on the label that a "side-effects" include suicide and psychotic episodes...

    You can't escape the fact that the last 3 examples in te past century of disarmament led directly to a situation that cost the lives of approximately 200 million people (that's not counting the wars tha occurred simultaneously).

    So, ya, if you explain to people that guns are important for more than just shooting, and history ha PROVEN that clearing out the guns from a society, at least more often then not, precedes a culling of the population.

    I'm still waiting for the "well, there are too many people" argument that the leftists hold close to their hearts.
    I agree.

    It is violence carried out with guns. I understand that it's people killing people and I've said as much many, many times. You should look closer at ALL my posts and quit making assumptions about my agenda. Chances are I think YOU want gun control more than I do.

    People using SSRI's are already leaning toward suicide and psychosis or SSRI's wouldn't be prescribed for them. That's a red herring and has been since day one.

    Taken as a whole the statistics balance out. Guns are neither good nor bad, just as many, many people have said over and over.

    And in how many representative democracies has this happened???

    That's as ignorant as the SSRI scare. There ARE too many people, which makes the violence problems worse, but getting rid of the guns won't solve the problems and anyone who thinks otherwise is, well, "unwise". That's why it's important to stress the real problems instead of continuing to address one of the symptoms.
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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    Alex Jones is crazy!!! Sometimes he makes good points, but they get lost in all the scams and conspiracy nonsense that he pulls. I mean selling miracle pills and yelling at people to go out and vote for Ron Paul or we are all doomed?? It's hard to take anyone seriously when they act like emotional children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We don't try to ban them but we certainly do stop their production. Dangerous cars are not allowed to be sold in America and if a car is found to be dangerous after production, the car company is often required to fix the problem for free.
    Yes, but still there are 40000 or so vehicular deaths per year... And we barely ever discuss more stringent drivers licensing.

    I'm not talking about compromise - obviously you haven't taken a good look at my personal stance. I'm talking about changing the rhetoric to address the issues in terms the other side will understand. The NRA shouldn't be talking to appease it's members, that's like preaching to the choir. The NRA should be carrying on constructive dialogue and putting their position in terms non-gun owners will understand. Otherwise, they're just spinning their wheels and putting more mud in the air. That doesn't help. Sadly the NRA seems stuck in the same rut as most modern American businesses, short-term profit over long-term gain.
    Ya, it's simple "being a victim isnt cool, protect yourself by protecting gun culture."

    Or, how many banks would get robbed of half the potential hostages could shoot back? (reality is when that was the case bank robbery was national news).

    My concern is that people will appease government by allowing further restrictions on weapons. Then they will soon find themselves like the smokers pushed into obscurity by this type of appeasement. (though, the reasoning for smoking is more legitimate).


    I agree.

    It is violence carried out with guns. I understand that it's people killing people and I've said as much many, many times. You should look closer at ALL my posts and quit making assumptions about my agenda. Chances are I think YOU want gun control more than I do.
    Well, there are a few that are far more extreme in their anti-gun position... So, sorry of I went too far.

    The most I would restrict guns would be from people who have shown that they cannot handle the responsibilities, but even then people should be able to prove themselves competent.

    People using SSRI's are already leaning toward suicide and psychosis or SSRI's wouldn't be prescribed for them. That's a red herring and has been since day one.
    And no, it's in the list of contraindications on the package inserts of these drugs that the drugs can CAUSE some people to have a psychotic episodes, or have suicidal thoughts or actions. Even runoff of these drugs have caused shrimp to attack their predators...

    Now, yes, some people are suicidal when they get on the medicines, but these drugs are doing something that takes away people's inhibitions and act out on their fantasies...

    But, yes, you have a point in that the proportion of people on these drugs that see that kind of side-effect are in a tiny fraction.

    Taken as a whole the statistics balance out. Guns are neither good nor bad, just as many, many people have said over and over.

    And in how many representative democracies has this happened???
    Germany was a democratic republic...

    That's as ignorant as the SSRI scare. There ARE too many people, which makes the violence problems worse, but getting rid of the guns won't solve the problems and anyone who thinks otherwise is, well, "unwise". That's why it's important to stress the real problems instead of continuing to address one of the symptoms.
    Yes, and if Obama cared about that he would come out with a map showing the areas with the highest crime rates / murder rates, and come up with a working strategy to actually tackle the source of most of the violence; ie, poverty and gangs.

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    Re: Is Alex Jones "Crazy"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, but still there are 40000 or so vehicular deaths per year... And we barely ever discuss more stringent drivers licensing.
    I'm sure the IIHS and the NTSB would be happy to listen to any arguments you put forth to make our roads more safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, it's simple "being a victim isnt cool, protect yourself by protecting gun culture."

    Or, how many banks would get robbed of half the potential hostages could shoot back? (reality is when that was the case bank robbery was national news).
    Again, you're not speaking in the language of the opposition. Most of them don't know about guns and don't want to know about guns. All they know is that guns are lethal weapons, which (to them) makes them dangerous.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    My concern is that people will appease government by allowing further restrictions on weapons. Then they will soon find themselves like the smokers pushed into obscurity by this type of appeasement. (though, the reasoning for smoking is more legitimate).
    I don't believe that would ever happen. There are too many hunters in America - and too many people that know hunters - for hunting rifles and shotguns to ever be outlawed.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The most I would restrict guns would be from people who have shown that they cannot handle the responsibilities, but even then people should be able to prove themselves competent.
    Are you willing to let the (non-convicted) drug lord own a tank? If not then as far as I'm concerned you agree with gun control.


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Germany was a democratic republic.
    So now the USA is Nazi Germany??? That's comment gets 3/3 ...

    It's rhetoric like this that sets the cause back. No one believes such wild crap except those already committed to gun freedom.
    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, and if Obama cared about that he would come out with a map showing the areas with the highest crime rates / murder rates, and come up with a working strategy to actually tackle the source of most of the violence; ie, poverty and gangs.
    That information is already available for the USA. What country do you live in?

    Liberals do exactly that - they regularly want to increase policing activities including curbing gang violence and try to decrease poverty. Who stops those things from becoming policy?
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