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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, I think there are plenty of opportunities to implement this into a classroom. But to believe that it would take over the whole of the academic discourse I think is perhaps a flight of fancy and perhaps harbored more by the anti-academic.
    Not all, but most will end up online.

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    I agree some classes can be taken on-line but not all of them can and until VR gets a whole let better than it is you can't replace the classroom and lab. The best that can be done well is replacing the lecture hall where the prof doesn't allow questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Watching a recorded lecture is equivalent to sitting in the lecture hall and taking notes. It's "fine and dandy" in exactly the same sense that attending your class is "fine and dandy."
    I've attended 50+ sem hrs of courses in my time and only 12 hrs were lectures - with the other 3 hrs (doubled to 6) of those three courses being lab work. All the rest were small classrooms and lots of student/teacher interaction with one exception. I did attend a 3 sem.hr video class once. It was a nightmare. No way to ask questions of the lecturer and, believe me, in this particular class there were plenty of questions. The moderator - a local prof who "conducted" the class - couldn't answer the questions because in many cases he didn't agree with the lecturer's conclusions. Quite frankly, that course was a waste of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Agree, with the caveat that computer simulations are getting better by the day. I'm sure a lot more labwork could be completed online than you'd like to admit.
    I do not believe any of my lab work could have been replaced by computer simulation. That's like learning to re-build a car engine without an engine to practice on. You hone your skills and learn critical things like sources of error first hand. No amount of demonstration can replace hands on experience - and I believe that was one of YOUR reasons for starting this discussion, experience while taking classes. If I don't work in chemistry I'll never get the experience of a chem lab, if I don't work in physics I'll never get the experience of a physics lab, and no amount of engineering work is going to change that. Yet both are important to engineers so we understand where the numbers we use are obtained.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Many of which are being scanned electronically and will soon be accessible online.
    Hard to read a blueprint on a computer - I should know since I spent 25 years looking at the real thing and the "computer simulation".

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Email, skype, telephone, and internet forums are great ways to ask questions.
    And who's going to answer the thousands of questions your thousands of students are asking? The lecturer isn't going to have time for that - so you're still limited to a good teacher/student ratio at set times of the day. It's far from the panacea you make it out to be.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Not all, but most will end up online.
    Some, the hybrid subjects and the non-academic subjects can be moved to mostly online. Any true academic pursuit will still take place at University.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have a degree in Civil Engineering, and I think it could be done online. Everything is done on a computer these days anyway.

    It's not like back when my dad graduated, when they drafted everything by hand and used abacuses instead of calculators.

    What are you gonna miss out on, building mousetrap cars?
    Then you must be one of those cookbook engineers that never leaves the office.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have a degree in Civil Engineering, and I think it could be done online. Everything is done on a computer these days anyway.

    It's not like back when my dad graduated, when they drafted everything by hand and used abacuses instead of calculators.

    What are you gonna miss out on, building mousetrap cars?
    Believe it or not, most engineers aren't just armchair cogs who can't do anything unless the computer tells them what to do. I'm sure for the level of engineering you do an online education would be enough; but I'd have a hard time actually calling you an engineer.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Some, the hybrid subjects and the non-academic subjects can be moved to mostly online. Any true academic pursuit will still take place at University.
    Since the definition of "academic" is anything taught at an academy, your assertion that all "academic subjects" will remain taught at the academy seems self-evident. Or perhaps this is a case in which our language has yet to catch up with our technology.

    In any case, some lab work will still need to be done at a lab, clearly. I never disputed this. Similarly, trade schools will need to retain some brick and mortar facilities.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Believe it or not, most engineers aren't just armchair cogs who can't do anything unless the computer tells them what to do. I'm sure for the level of engineering you do an online education would be enough; but I'd have a hard time actually calling you an engineer.
    I'm not an engineer anymore. I never said I was. Just because I received my degree in engineering, and got my start as an engineer, does not mean this is what I do for a living today.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Since the definition of "academic" is anything taught at an academy, your assertion that all "academic subjects" will remain taught at the academy seems self-evident. Or perhaps this is a case in which our language has yet to catch up with our technology.

    In any case, some lab work will still need to be done at a lab, clearly. I never disputed this. Similarly, trade schools will need to retain some brick and mortar facilities.
    Trade schools certainly, as well as Community College and smaller Colleges. University shall remain an institute with buildings, lectures, and labs as well; even while incorporating online classes for those who wish to be cogs. But the purpose of University isn't exactly to pop out cogs.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I'm not an engineer anymore. I never said I was. Just because I received my degree in engineering, and got my start as an engineer, does not mean this is what I do for a living today.
    It's true, Engineers are highly educated researchers who know what they are doing. Not everyone is cut out to be an engineer. I tutored a lot of engineers, it was very easy to separate the good from the bad.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Trade schools certainly, as well as Community College and smaller Colleges. University shall remain an institute with buildings, lectures, and labs as well; even while incorporating online classes for those who wish to be cogs. But the purpose of University isn't exactly to pop out cogs.
    You don't understand. I'm saying that trade schools will retain their brick and mortar, as will labs. For everything else, the overhead is just too expensive.

    I pity you. You're like the factory worker who doesn't want to believe his job is getting shipped to China, that the company he works for would never move a factory overseas in the name of cost cutting.

    Universities are no different from corporations - they follow the golden rule. As technology allows them to cut costs and increase revenues, they will hop aboard that train faster than you can say "cog" one more time.

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