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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Two points - A.) Fine. If they're adults, let them. B.) I don't think the current structure will be completely replaced. I'd still like to see degrees offered by institutions like Harvard, UNC, etc. I'd like them to set up the curricula, and I'd like them to grade the coursework and interact with me in every way they otherwise would. I'd just like for a good chunk of that education to be available online rather than in a traditional lecture hall, so that I can work and pay for it at the same time, and not have to move to a college town. I'd also like the cost-savings that such an education would entail. (Not me, I've already been through school.)
    Then go to Community College. You act as if there is no alternative. Online courses are all fine and dandy; but it cannot replace entire academic curriculum.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, I support the growth of people in college, not necessarily online education. Science, math, art, music, and philosophy education is important; but many of these require "lab" work which cannot be performed online (maybe philosophy; but still the physical campus is ideal for that vs. online).
    Math, art, philosophy... I can't see how any physical presence at all is needed. Let me know if you disagree.

    Music.... meh. It could be done online as well.

    Science - yes some lab work will have to be done somewhere physically, but lectures don't need to be.

    In all, I would imagine you could reduce the physical requirements of a university by about 80%.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You went to a state school. A good portion of the total cost of your education was subsidized by the state's taxpayers.
    Nope. I went to Johnson & Wales University in Providence, RI from the fall of 1992 until my graduation in the spring of 1994 with an Associates of Science Degree in Computer Aided Design and Drafting. I went to a school whose entire focus at the time was on turning out people for a CAREER. There were no fluff courses. No padded degree programs where you don't get a class in your major until your Junior year. No worthless liberal arts classes to waste time. Just a meat and potatoes education in my chosen field with no filler or fluff. The fact that their programs are no longer like that is part of the reason I no longer support my alma mater.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Online education is something that conservatives and liberals should be able to agree on. Conservatives will like that it lowers the substantial tax burden that states currently pay to offer subsidized college education. Think about that - lower taxes, less government regulation, and a free-market education system.
    The government subsidy for Education should be $0.00, regardless of whether it's in-person or online.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Liberals will like that finally, we have at our fingertips the technology to educate EVERYONE. No longer will anyone be at a disadvantage because they are poor, because of their background, or any other reason. Education, and all the benefits that come with it, can now be practically obtained by every single American.
    As i said, we over-educate many people already. This will only increase that.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then go to Community College. You act as if there is no alternative. Online courses are all fine and dandy; but it cannot replace entire academic curriculum.
    It's not up for debate, Ikari, universities are already going in this direction. The number of online degrees offered today compared with only a few years ago is stunning. The trend will only continue as technology advances.

    The best thing to come from it will be somewhat of an end to academic snobbery. Finally, human society has reached a point where information is not scarce, but is an abundant commodity. No longer to universities need to be selective when it comes to admissions - since admissions will no longer be limited by the number or quality of professors they can hire. The internet evens the playing field for everyone.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Math, art, philosophy... I can't see how any physical presence at all is needed. Let me know if you disagree.
    I disagree.

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    Music.... meh. It could be done online as well.
    Not as effectively and efficiently as in the classroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Science - yes some lab work will have to be done somewhere physically, but lectures don't need to be.

    In all, I would imagine you could reduce the physical requirements of a university by about 80%.
    Lectures are the least amount of time you spend. The majority of the time is homework (which benefits from being on campus due to the amount of resources) and research (which requires that you be in the lab).

    In the end you have very little understanding of what is done in academia. While it is possible to move certain subjects and classes to online, it cannot take the whole of that academic curriculum.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Teacher?
    No, common sense.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's not up for debate, Ikari, universities are already going in this direction. The number of online degrees offered today compared with only a few years ago is stunning. The trend will only continue as technology advances.

    The best thing to come from it will be somewhat of an end to academic snobbery. Finally, human society has reached a point where information is not scarce, but is an abundant commodity. No longer to universities need to be selective when it comes to admissions - since admissions will no longer be limited by the number or quality of professors they can hire. The internet evens the playing field for everyone.
    The trend will certainly continue, but it will not take over 100%. And there certainly are limits, some of which certainly depend on the number and quality of professors which are hired.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The trend will certainly continue, but it will not take over 100%. And there certainly are limits, some of which certainly depend on the number and quality of professors which are hired.
    Here's one that's right up your alley. Stanford University apparently offers a good number of their lectures in video format, many of which are free to the public.

    Example here:

    Above is lecture one in a full course on Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, taught by the renowned Leonard Susskind. You can catch the rest of the course at Stanford's youtube channel.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Here's one that's right up your alley. Stanford University apparently offers a good number of their lectures in video format, many of which are free to the public.

    Example here:

    Above is lecture one in a full course on Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, taught by the renowned Leonard Susskind. You can catch the rest of the course at Stanford's youtube channel.
    Of course they do. That doesn't mean you can gain a physics degree by watching a few videos.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course they do. That doesn't mean you can gain a physics degree by watching a few videos.
    Not yet.

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