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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Just browsing the internet, I am already seeing degrees offered online that were not offered even 5 years ago. You can now get an engineering degree from USC, an MBA from Duke or UNC, all online. That trend will only continue.
    Every engineering degree you can do online is quite a huge step under the real college degrees. For instance, you can only get electronics engineering degrees online, not electrical engineering. The difference in pay is substantial. Fact is, for jobs like engineering, you are worthless if you've just read a bunch of books. You need LOTS and LOTS of hands on time in the lab, and that simply can't be done online.

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    I ran into that problem as well. The kindle e-ink is PERFECT for pictureless fiction. Reading textbooks and magazines on it is awful though. I got a kindle fire as well and both magazines and textbooks are absolutely fantastic. So each device is oriented towards
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But people won't, and that's one reason for University and its standards.
    Who said anything about dropping universities or their curricula? They perform a vital function. I'm simply saying that a lot of what we do today in a physical classroom could be brought to the masses cheaper and more effectively via the internet.

    Ikari, you are always saying how more Americans need to get a science education. Given that, you should support the growth of online education.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Think about the cost. The fact is, college is a huge expense for families, and for taxpayers. Most university education is heavily subsidized. So I ask - is the fact that some people out there prefer to take in-person classes really a good enough reason to stick to that model?

    Think about it. We have at our fingertips the technology to educate not only the elites of society, but EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. That is the power of the internet. Imagine what that could be like.

    The other point I'd make is that education should ideally be ongoing. I can envision a future where working professionals are constantly taking online courses to better themselves throughout their careers.
    No I agree with you. It really does open a lot of possibilities. From lower costs and less student debt to greater competition among insititutions since they won't be restricted by geography. I really like the idea you mention of individuals constantly learning while working and really becoming lifelong students.

    I do think the downside of less contacts made is real though. Facebook, Google, both were hatched in a university environment that depended on the contacts and individuals they met in college. There is a benefit to ambitious bright individuals coming together that seems to have a lot of benefits.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    OK, fair enough. Ask yourself this question, though. If you could get the same degree, with the same prestige and job opportunities afterward, but pay $100 grand less for it, wouldn't you take that?
    Peter, my entire collegeiate education cost about $38,000; of which about $13-15,000 of it was covered by scholarships and another $2,000 by a student loan. The rest was paid by me and my parents. You wouldn't catch me anywhere near a program that cost $100,000; nevermind one whose cost could be REDUCED by $100,000.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The fact is, college is a huge expense for families, and for taxpayers. Most university education is heavily subsidized. So I ask - is the fact that some people out there prefer to take in-person classes really a good enough reason to stick to that model?
    Is the fact that it's less expensive (the only benefit I really see) worth throwing out a system that has worked for a couple hundred years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Think about it. We have at our fingertips the technology to educate not only the elites of society, but EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. That is the power of the internet. Imagine what that could be like.
    I believe we already significantly OVER-EDUCATE a massive portion of our population as it is, Peter. Why would I want to make it easier for these people to continue wasting their time and money on education they will never use?

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Who said anything about dropping universities or their curricula? They perform a vital function. I'm simply saying that a lot of what we do today in a physical classroom could be brought to the masses cheaper and more effectively via the internet.

    Ikari, you are always saying how more Americans need to get a science education. Given that, you should support the growth of online education.
    No, I support the growth of people in college, not necessarily online education. Science, math, art, music, and philosophy education is important; but many of these require "lab" work which cannot be performed online (maybe philosophy; but still the physical campus is ideal for that vs. online).
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The great thing about the internet is the diversity of options that could be on the table. You could take courses in literally anything, thus giving you as "well rounded" an education as either you or the university deem fit.
    I agree that is a possibility, however not a probability, unless pushed or guided by some fairly well planned course or goal. Not many actively seek to be so self motivted or self challenged, they now drop out of even a free HS educational program offered, not to seek further knowledge on their own, but to escape the pressure to achieve any further edcuation at all.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Peter, my entire collegeiate education cost about $38,000; of which about $13-15,000 of it was covered by scholarships and another $2,000 by a student loan. The rest was paid by me and my parents. You wouldn't catch me anywhere near a program that cost $100,000; nevermind one whose cost could be REDUCED by $100,000.
    You went to a state school. A good portion of the total cost of your education was subsidized by the state's taxpayers.

    Online education is something that conservatives and liberals should be able to agree on. Conservatives will like that it lowers the substantial tax burden that states currently pay to offer subsidized college education. Think about that - lower taxes, less government regulation, and a free-market education system.

    Liberals will like that finally, we have at our fingertips the technology to educate EVERYONE. No longer will anyone be at a disadvantage because they are poor, because of their background, or any other reason. Education, and all the benefits that come with it, can now be practically obtained by every single American.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Hell NO!

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I agree that is a possibility, however not a probability, unless pushed or guided by some fairly well planned course or goal. Not many actively seek to be so self motivted or self challenged, they now drop out of even a free HS educational program offered, not to seek further knowledge on their own, but to escape the pressure to achieve any further edcuation at all.
    Two points - A.) Fine. If they're adults, let them. B.) I don't think the current structure will be completely replaced. I'd still like to see degrees offered by institutions like Harvard, UNC, etc. I'd like them to set up the curricula, and I'd like them to grade the coursework and interact with me in every way they otherwise would. I'd just like for a good chunk of that education to be available online rather than in a traditional lecture hall, so that I can work and pay for it at the same time, and not have to move to a college town. I'd also like the cost-savings that such an education would entail. (Not me, I've already been through school.)

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Hell NO!
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