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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Education is not simply learning facts or obtaining specialized training on a single subject in a vacuum. The internet is simply a medium of information exchange, largely useless without the aid of a search engine, to guide one to any desried topic. The educational system takes that quite a bit further by establishing a lesson plan, including "related" support material and providing a context to tie seemingly unrealted ideas together. One can become trained be a fine carpenter, possessing all of the requisite skills for "wood welding" to build a fine house, and yet be totally useless unless they have a knowedge of local building codes, the ability to read the architectural plans for the desired dwelling, are able to communicate with the customer/material supplier and coordinate their building process with that of the other trades involved. Simply being an expert, or highly skilled/trained, in one narrow aspect of anything, is not what higher education is all about.
    The purpose of education is debatable, but here is my take. If you're receiving an education on the public dime, then the purpose of your education is to turn you in to a productive citizen. Since we're not in the business of social engineering (I hope), that basically means the purpose of your education is to make you economically viable and productive.

    If you're paying your own way, ie going to a private school and not getting taxpayer funding, then the purpose of your education is whatever you want it to be. It's like going to the movies.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    For certain classes and degree programs there might be some usefullness, but it's not something that I would be comfortable doing myself. That's for sure.
    Maybe not, but the younger generations are very comfortable in front of a computer. It's pretty amazing, actually.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Maybe not, but the younger generations are very comfortable in front of a computer. It's pretty amazing, actually.
    I'm 38 years old, Peter. I am more than comfortable in front of a computer. What I am not comfortable with is the idea of a program where I cannot meet face to face with people. I HATE conference calls and web meetings. They're a waste of my time and I avoid them as much as possible.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The purpose of education is debatable, but here is my take. If you're receiving an education on the public dime, then the purpose of your education is to turn you in to a productive citizen. Since we're not in the business of social engineering (I hope), that basically means the purpose of your education is to make you economically viable and productive.

    If you're paying your own way, ie going to a private school and not getting taxpayer funding, then the purpose of your education is whatever you want it to be. It's like going to the movies.
    That applies to a single class, yes, but not to a degree/diploma. A college degree (or even a HS diploma) implies more than simple expertise in a single field. Without a solid, well rounded basic skill set, further trianing (acquiring more advanced skills) is very difficult. Idiot savants are very well educated (in at least one area) yet are not necessarily economically viable. The point of having an instructor and a broader course of study, is not simply for social engineering, but to become economically viable by not only acquiring a single skill to make money but those needed to function in more aspects of society as well.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm 38 years old, Peter. I am more than comfortable in front of a computer. What I am not comfortable with is the idea of a program where I cannot meet face to face with people. I HATE conference calls and web meetings. They're a waste of my time and I avoid them as much as possible.
    OK, fair enough. Ask yourself this question, though. If you could get the same degree, with the same prestige and job opportunities afterward, but pay $100 grand less for it, wouldn't you take that?

    The fact is, college is a huge expense for families, and for taxpayers. Most university education is heavily subsidized. So I ask - is the fact that some people out there prefer to take in-person classes really a good enough reason to stick to that model?

    Think about it. We have at our fingertips the technology to educate not only the elites of society, but EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. That is the power of the internet. Imagine what that could be like.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Simple question: Will the Internet render classrooms obsolete, at the college level?

    Robots replace factory workers, mp3 files replaced cassette tapes, and soon traditional classroom-style learning will go the way of the dodo bird, according to me. I arrive at this conclusion from my perspective as a businessman.

    Traditional classrooms will continue to exist for students of high school age or younger, I believe, because part of the role of public education is to babysit.

    However, for adult students, the benefits of the Internet are numerous and growing. First, consider cost. As the Internet advances and more people gain access, the prospect of college-educating every willing adult becomes increasingly practical and therefore likely. Second, the Internet offers an unprecedented access to informational variety, meaning each person's education can be tailored to their individual interests and requirements.

    Finally, it has been my perception that our best and brightest spend entirely too many of their useful hours in school, and not enough time in the real world applying what they have learned. As education evolves to rely more on technology, students can spend more time actually working, either internships or full time positions, and can participate in their studies during non-business hours.


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    I think it's possible to learn outside of a classroom environment...but you lose one of the most important aspects of being jammed together with 30 or so like minded individuals...the connections you make.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That applies to a single class, yes, but not to a degree/diploma. A college degree (or even a HS diploma) implies more than simple expertise in a single field. Without a solid, well rounded basic skill set, further trianing (acquiring more advanced skills) is very difficult. Idiot savants are very well educated (in at least one area) yet are not necessarily economically viable. The point of having an instructor and a broader course of study, is not simply for social engineering, but to become economically viable by not only acquiring a single skill to make money but those needed to function in more aspects of society as well.
    The great thing about the internet is the diversity of options that could be on the table. You could take courses in literally anything, thus giving you as "well rounded" an education as either you or the university deem fit.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    OK, fair enough. Ask yourself this question, though. If you could get the same degree, with the same prestige and job opportunities afterward, but pay $100 grand less for it, wouldn't you take that?
    My degree cannot come with discounts like that. Anything with research will remain in academic settings.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The great thing about the internet is the diversity of options that could be on the table. You could take courses in literally anything, thus giving you as "well rounded" an education as either you or the university deem fit.
    But people won't, and that's one reason for University and its standards.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I think it's possible to learn outside of a classroom environment...but you lose one of the most important aspects of being jammed together with 30 or so like minded individuals...the connections you make.
    Think about the cost. The fact is, college is a huge expense for families, and for taxpayers. Most university education is heavily subsidized. So I ask - is the fact that some people out there prefer to take in-person classes really a good enough reason to stick to that model?

    Think about it. We have at our fingertips the technology to educate not only the elites of society, but EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. That is the power of the internet. Imagine what that could be like.

    The other point I'd make is that education should ideally be ongoing. I can envision a future where working professionals are constantly taking online courses to better themselves throughout their careers.

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