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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Checking the notes of the guy next to you for the bit you didn't hear?
    Even better, I can simply hit "replay" on the lecture or re-read the notes.

    Flirting with the girl at the end of the row?
    College (believe it or not) was actually supposed to be an educational experience, rather than a sexual or alcoholic one.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making best use of modern technology to support education but I don't think it can ever or should be attempted to completely replace real world, face-to-face human interaction.
    Well I would agree. We need to interact with real people. We just don't have to do that in order to learn.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Different people learn differently! a simple but true statement.
    Some are independent learners, others interactive(hands on), and yet others favor
    the structured environment of a classroom.
    For some, the physical act of going and sitting down in a classroom, adjusts
    their frame of reference for learning.
    Classrooms may in time go away (or become virtual), but it will be many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Oh, I'm not disagreeing that it would be much more cost effective. However, as I said in my post, there are far too many people with far too much money invested in universities to allow that to happen. Unions alone would make this close to impossible IMO.
    Colleges aren't as unionized as primary education. And with the way that colleges have been jacking up tuition without increasing the quality of their product for the past couple of decades, I'd say that they are about due for a Ford-and-GM-meet-Toyota-and-Honda experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah, we have a Kindle Fire. I was the same way about books until I realized that I can get books for free or even have them loaned to me with the Amazon Prime program. Now, I rarely go to a book store at all. If there were a local book store that was locally owned, I'd probably support that. However, the only thing in my area is either Barnes and Noble or McCay's. They can do without one more person.
    I love my kindle. But I can only do fiction. Non Fiction I have to highlight and write notes in the margin and keep for later referencing - and it's just not as friendly with kindle as it is with paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    College (believe it or not) was actually supposed to be an educational experience, rather than a sexual or alcoholic one.
    Who said anything about sex? You've obviously got a dirty mind.

    I think College/University has always been about more than pure education but about the wider development of a young person. The social interaction in and around the educational environment is as important as any lessons and lectures in creating rounded individuals rather than robots.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well I would agree. We need to interact with real people. We just don't have to do that in order to learn.
    It might not be strictly necessary but I think some direct interaction with the people teaching you and the other people learning alongside you has a huge benefit in education. I don't think 100% remote learning can ever be as effective as something including some direct contact. I think this is recognised by the various remote learning institutions that already exist (at least the quality ones), who help arrange local study groups, events and co-ordination with conventional institutions for their students who would otherwise be learning alone.

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    Re: Technology and education

    i doubt it, as there are classes which don't translate to internet-only. for example, it's difficult to do lab work over the internet, though if they figure out a good way to do that, i'll support it. doing my lab work at home would rock.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Simple question: Will the Internet render classrooms obsolete, at the college level?

    Robots replace factory workers, mp3 files replaced cassette tapes, and soon traditional classroom-style learning will go the way of the dodo bird, according to me. I arrive at this conclusion from my perspective as a businessman.

    Traditional classrooms will continue to exist for students of high school age or younger, I believe, because part of the role of public education is to babysit.

    However, for adult students, the benefits of the Internet are numerous and growing. First, consider cost. As the Internet advances and more people gain access, the prospect of college-educating every willing adult becomes increasingly practical and therefore likely. Second, the Internet offers an unprecedented access to informational variety, meaning each person's education can be tailored to their individual interests and requirements.

    Finally, it has been my perception that our best and brightest spend entirely too many of their useful hours in school, and not enough time in the real world applying what they have learned. As education evolves to rely more on technology, students can spend more time actually working, either internships or full time positions, and can participate in their studies during non-business hours.


    What do you think?
    No, the internet will not render classrooms obsolete at the college level. It will allow for some integration of non-traditional students through online classes; but that would be limited in scope. You can't get a physics degree online, well not from an accredited university worth its salt. The personal interaction with the professor and classmates is vital, you need to be on campus most of the time anyway, you'll do research in the labs, the laboratory portion of your classes are excessively important.

    There are some subjects that can likely be taught solely on the internet, but there is a class of academia which cannot. And as such, the University and the University classroom shall continue to exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Who said anything about sex? You've obviously got a dirty mind.

    I think College/University has always been about more than pure education but about the wider development of a young person. The social interaction in and around the educational environment is as important as any lessons and lectures in creating rounded individuals rather than robots.

    It might not be strictly necessary but I think some direct interaction with the people teaching you and the other people learning alongside you has a huge benefit in education. I don't think 100% remote learning can ever be as effective as something including some direct contact. I think this is recognised by the various remote learning institutions that already exist (at least the quality ones), who help arrange local study groups, events and co-ordination with conventional institutions for their students who would otherwise be learning alone.
    The college courses are about learning stuff (some of it useful).
    If really want to learn about people, go wait tables for a few months

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the internet will not render classrooms obsolete at the college level. It will allow for some integration of non-traditional students through online classes; but that would be limited in scope. You can't get a physics degree online, well not from an accredited university worth its salt. The personal interaction with the professor and classmates is vital, you need to be on campus most of the time anyway, you'll do research in the labs, the laboratory portion of your classes are excessively important.

    There are some subjects that can likely be taught solely on the internet, but there is a class of academia which cannot. And as such, the University and the University classroom shall continue to exist.
    You are a college professor, Ikari, so you have your own job at stake here. I can understand your position.

    However, I'm convinced that time is against you. The old model is too expensive, for one. Do you have any idea how much a college education costs? Well, of course you do. That cost could be a fraction of what it is if we got rid of the "brick and mortar" infrastructure and overpaid professors.

    The fact is, information is becoming less scarce of a commodity every day, to put it in economic terms.

    Universities, like any organization, want to maximize their revenues while lowering their costs. As technology increases, old ways of doing things become obsolete as they are replaced by more cost-effective alternatives.

    Just browsing the internet, I am already seeing degrees offered online that were not offered even 5 years ago. You can now get an engineering degree from USC, an MBA from Duke or UNC, all online. That trend will only continue.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You are a college professor, Ikari, so you have your own job at stake here. I can understand your position.
    No, this is just reality. There will be an increase in internet study; but some study cannot be done on the internet and will require lab time. The purest of academic pursuits will maintain University presence.

    "Overpaid professors", I like that. Cause it's not true in many subjects. Many of you couldn't hack a professors schedule and duties.
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