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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Have you been a GTA or a GRA? That question is only rhetorical, because I think we know better.

    I get my tuition knocked out, living expenses and then some (which already destroyed your argument on slavery), gives me additional experience, and continues to give me contact with professors on multiple levels. Many universities are kind enough to say that they do not allow students to be employed outside of the university, and their material compensation frequently demonstrates how much they want academic excellence. Anecdotally, do you know what the most frequent comment has been to me and my colleagues so far? "We know you're busy people. If the workload continues to go over this bar, please remind your Professor that you have to concentrate on your studies." Then, when by chance I meet said professor for the first time discussing a course I am to be a TA in:"I remember what it was like being a graduate student!"
    Of course being a grad student isn't as bad, literally, as being a slave. I'm simply saying the line of reasoning nota bene used to justify the plight of the grad student is the same as that which was used to justify slavery.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Of course being a grad student isn't as bad, literally, as being a slave. I'm simply saying the line of reasoning nota bene used to justify the plight of the grad student is the same that was used to justify slavery.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I have two graduate degrees. My last, an M.S. I obtained through an accredited on-line program. When the program began students interacted with each other in a cohort. There were students from various parts of the country in the program. The cohort continued throughout each class in the program until the last semester when students had to complete an internship. However, to me, that wasn't the best part of the program. Being able to complete classwork any time of the day or night was what sold me. I never set foot in a classroom, yet engaged in the most effective learning experience of my life.

    I learned much more in an on-line program where I had more time to reflect on my learning than I ever did sitting in a classroom. One thing I found out early on is that there is more work to complete in an on-line program as opposed to sitting in a classroom to receive information.

    The one and only drawback IMO is that it didn't help with making professional contacts.

    I have never taken an online course, however I believe it's the way of the future. Kudos for being a pioneer.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Of course being a grad student isn't as bad, literally, as being a slave. I'm simply saying the line of reasoning nota bene used to justify the plight of the grad student is the same as that which was used to justify slavery.
    The "plight" of the grad student? Those are your words, not mine. Don't make me laugh. Most grad students are thrilled to be there. Very earnest and grateful for the opportunities.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The "plight" of the grad student? Those are your words, not mine. Don't make me laugh. Most grad students are thrilled to be there. Very earnest and grateful for the opportunities.
    I got my education paid for, MS and PhD in physics. Sure I had to work my ass off, not just in class work but initially with teaching and then later with research. 14 hour days are not uncommon for the grad student (in fact may be standard) including weekends. But I was doing research and it was awesome. I could not have accomplished my degrees online with the same interaction, experience, and knowledge gain. It's impossible. I've built labs from the ground up, I have machined until I became a wiz at the mill and lathe, I invented, tested, and implemented circuits and electronics into laboratory control, I programmed in several different languages to gain control over all pieces of equipment in my lab. I labored over data, over keeping equipment running correctly, running analysis over and over taking more and more data until I could get my error bars to within acceptable parameters, I've analyzed data to death, I've written papers and given talks at conferences, etc. You're not doing any of this with an online class; you're missing out on one of the most crucial aspects of education...experience.

    Hell even in my undergrad education, I started research my sophomore year. My first project...rebuilt an accelerator. I worked on superconductivity experiments, built a new lab for Physical Chemistry class, participated in two REU programs at other Universities....you don't get that online either. Sit at your computer, maybe be able to regurgitate some equations; but that's it. You miss the fun, the excitement, the experience of science; and IMO that is necessary to science education.

    Online will serve some subjects well; but it cannot serve all subjects well. And the core sciences, the academic subjects, are in the latter category. The world of academia will never go away, it represents the pinnacle of human intelligence, understanding, and drive.
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