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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So this is where you were headed all along.

    The Academy doesn't exist to hoard information; it exists to protect, nurture, and celebrate it.

    And BTW, the accrediting agencies are monitoring. Sure, there are "mail-order ministers" and bogus doctorate, but an accredited Ph.D. or MFA will be legit irrespective of the course delivery system.

    And that's all you're talking about, a delivery system. Whether a prof is lecturing in a physical classroom or via video or live TV, a prof is a prof. Many professors teach both traditional classrooms and through a distance ed. modality. I assure you that the course content doesn't deviate from one to another and also that not only the accrediting agencies, but also the feds are paying attention and eager to ensure quality control of course content.
    Libraries exist to protect, nurture, and celebrate information. Don't you see that universities have a different and more active role in society?

    Accrediting agencies are part of the problem, as is the federal oversight you discussed. Such things are inherently bureaucratic. That's a difficult concept to explain, really, but I'll try it with an analogy: A fence at the zoo is not meant to keep the animals in as much as it's meant to keep the people out. Similarly, degrees, issued by universities and given their stamp of approval by accrediting agencies, are not meant to reward the efforts of the person who earned the degree so much as they are meant to segregate out the people who did not earn that degree from any academic discussion.

    The problem is that some of the smartest people I know don't have degrees.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Elitism is usually the cry of the individual who cannot do.

    Besides, there's nothing inherently wrong with elitism. The better more capable individual gains the spoils.
    Free markets are the best mechanism we have to ensure that more capable people gain the spoils. Universities don't operate under free market principles.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Said the monarch during the "French/British/take-your-pick" revolution.
    Said the French republican....
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Free markets are the best mechanism we have to ensure that more capable people gain the spoils. Universities don't operate under free market principles.
    The US doesn't operate under free market principles. When the actual markets obey free market; perchance I shall give a damn about the world of academia. Universities are not businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The US doesn't operate under free market principles. When the actual markets obey free market; perchance I shall give a damn about the world of academia. Universities are not businesses.
    How very convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Said the French republican....
    You know, the monarchs ultimately lost that debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You know, the monarchs ultimately lost that debate.
    The interesting thing is that the monarchy has a better reputation than the republicans.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The interesting thing is that the monarchy has a better reputation than the republicans.
    I blame that on the fact that they are French. Nobody ever accused the French of being moderate.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    How very convenient.
    Well it's reality. You want to demand that something which isn't a business should run on free market business principles, we don't even have businesses which do so.

    All I can really see is that you have some personal axe against academia and University for some reason, you belittle the people who go through it, try to make it into something its not, all so you can herald its fall; that's it. Create cogs and nothing more; you'd make a great Cyberman.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Libraries exist to protect, nurture, and celebrate information. Don't you see that universities have a different and more active role in society?

    Accrediting agencies are part of the problem, as is the federal oversight you discussed. Such things are inherently bureaucratic. That's a difficult concept to explain, really, but I'll try it with an analogy: A fence at the zoo is not meant to keep the animals in as much as it's meant to keep the people out. Similarly, degrees, issued by universities and given their stamp of approval by accrediting agencies, are not meant to reward the efforts of the person who earned the degree so much as they are meant to segregate out the people who did not earn that degree from any academic discussion.

    The problem is that some of the smartest people I know don't have degrees.
    Some of the smartest people I've ever met didn't have much formal education either, but that's not really the point here.

    You seem to be coming from a defensive and bitter place, and for that I'm sorry. If you think that a degree's purpose is to segregate, you are mistaken. Your take on academia is one of an outsider with only partial understanding. You asked whether I understand the role of universities in society, and the answer is yes, I do.

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