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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So... you don't want competition for the free labor you currently enjoy. You want unpaid lab rats to do the legwork for your experiments, thus you would deny them the opportunity to get jobs in the real world which could actually help them get a job in the future. Got it.
    Don't make stupid statements. You said they don't need it, they're prized and can find a job anywhere. So what is it? Do they need the step up or are they so prized that they don't need it? Or are you just going to change your mind depending on how the argument is going?
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It does have to flow out of academia and into the private sector, else I'm out of a job.
    Fixed it for you.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're not building a bomb in your basement, are you?
    Not at all.

    In all seriousness, I wanted to teach my kids chemical synthesis when they got older.
    Schools don't do it anymore and I think it's important for them to understand how chemistry works and where things come from.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Fixed it for you.
    If by fixed you mean "made it stupid on purpose" then yes. Otherwise, no. And if the latter I suggest you figure out what "fix" means.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Don't make stupid statements. You said they don't need it, they're prized and can find a job anywhere. So what is it? Do they need the step up or are they so prized that they don't need it? Or are you just going to change your mind depending on how the argument is going?
    You're convoluting my point. My suggestion was to utilize private sector internships as part of a student's education. The key word being STUDENT.

    ENGINEERS are coveted and prized. That is what I said. To be an engineer, one must have a degree.

    An engineering student would only be coveted as an intern if we knew he was going to eventually graduate and get his engineering degree.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're convoluting my point. My suggestion was to utilize private sector internships as part of a student's education. The key word being STUDENT.

    ENGINEERS are coveted and prized. That is what I said. To be an engineer, one must have a degree.

    An engineering student would only be coveted as an intern if we knew he was going to eventually graduate and get his engineering degree.
    I don't think I convoluted your point, I think you took care of that yourself just fine.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's pretty hard to patent things from a government lab, it turns out. But I do agree, base research cannot be supported by the private industry; it's too costly and takes too long. We subsidize it through grad students and paying them crap (though they get an education, so it's win-win in the end). The normal ebb and flow is that an engineer or a scientist does research, gets the PhD, goes out to industry and then actually starts developing solutions based on their research. It does have to flow out of academia and into the private sector, else it falls apart.
    I agree that currently that's true, but I willing to see if alternatives exist.
    There is tremendous potential for kids in high school, to train them and encourage them in pre engineering design and construction.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree that currently that's true, but I willing to see if alternatives exist.
    There is tremendous potential for kids in high school, to train them and encourage them in pre engineering design and construction.
    Indeed, and it should be encouraged. We need engineers and scientists, without a doubt; this is how humanity progresses. I'd change K-12 into a trimester system (no summer break for months), I'd install the proper levels to higher education Trade/Tech School, Community College, College, and University. Those are all different things (we use College and University rather interchangeably these days), and I would fund the bejesus out of them...essentially make it public utility if one could.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed, and it should be encouraged. We need engineers and scientists, without a doubt; this is how humanity progresses. I'd change K-12 into a trimester system (no summer break for months), I'd install the proper levels to higher education Trade/Tech School, Community College, College, and University. Those are all different things (we use College and University rather interchangeably these days), and I would fund the bejesus out of them...essentially make it public utility if one could.
    Won't happen, engineering programs are a safety hazard to teenagers.
    Or so says the helicopter moms and safety nazi's.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think I convoluted your point, I think you took care of that yourself just fine.
    For being an educated man, you are having a hard time following a pretty simple line of logic.

    A. The free market prizes engineers, or future engineers.

    B. Engineers must have degrees.

    That's it. It's so simple, a cave man could do it.

    Now, say we instituted my plan, and engineering students had more internships and worked fewer hours in your nonsense academic sweatshop for bogus research. Companies would still prize them because they would meet requirement "A."

    However, in addition, they would gain real world experience which is invaluable. They could better figure out which company they want to go to work for in the future, and what they want to do. They could advance faster, having already got one foot in the door, so to speak. They could earn money while attending school, so they wouldn't be forced in to debt.

    But you're not interested in any of this. You're only interested in free labor for your government subsidized research.

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