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    Re: Technology and education

    There are certain areas of study that will always require a classroom, the internet won't replace these.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Ideally, young engineers-to-be would be educated online while interning somewhere. Same for the other disciplines.

    The thing is, Ikari, engineers actually have economic value. They are prized, and have no trouble finding work. A young engineer could intern somewhere, say Texas Instruments, and use all their cool stuff while learning theory via interactive online courses.
    Engineers have a lot of value, thanks for the snobby attitude (which I find ironic since you soooo want to stamp out the academic snob). Interning is not necessary unless you're making a cog. Engineers aren't meant to be cogs, we need thinkers and that's why they are prized. So instead, academic research aids well better. Plus someone has to do that research since it will ultimately lead to new engineering solutions that cannot be realized purely through private business.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The internet is going to take a bigger and bigger role in education, that is a certainty. However, I don't think it will get rid of traditional classrooms altogether. Students need to have interaction with real people. The internet and computers can't answer complex questions that the students have, and it can not replace social interaction and collaborative work, both of which are extremely important in just about every career field.
    Online classrooms bro.
    Already been invented.

    Social interaction is fine, but from what I remember from school, we didn't do a whole lot of group activities, it was mostly individual.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Germany has an option to do something similar. Out of high school you can apply for a company in what is called a dual study. You get accepted to a company, then you start college at their partner university. You alternate 6 months in school, 6 months as an intern. You get paid a part time salary year round. After 3 years you have a bachelors, 18 mos experience, and a full time position. I think this is a great model and I almost did it myself. None of this however is online.
    Here's an interesting note. For their Engineering degrees, they have to go out and "work" in a lab or business. The chair of the Physics Department at CSU at the time was Hocheimer...or however you spell that....German. So he gets all about having these engineers come and spend a few months in our labs as part of this process. We got 2 German Engineers who turned out to be absolute crap. They couldn't engineer their way out of a wet paper bag. Eventually we told one of them to take the rest of the time off and see Colorado cause it was WAY better than having them in the lab where all they would do is make more work for me.

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    Note: That's not to say all German Engineers are bad, only that their system isn't a fail safe.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Engineers have a lot of value, thanks for the snobby attitude (which I find ironic since you soooo want to stamp out the academic snob). Interning is not necessary unless you're making a cog. Engineers aren't meant to be cogs, we need thinkers and that's why they are prized. So instead, academic research aids well better. Plus someone has to do that research since it will ultimately lead to new engineering solutions that cannot be realized purely through private business.
    A lot of the pre internet engineering was formed off campus.
    I think that was during the explosion of the industrial revolution.

    There's no real requirement for it to be done at an academic location.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Engineers have a lot of value, thanks for the snobby attitude (which I find ironic since you soooo want to stamp out the academic snob). Interning is not necessary unless you're making a cog. Engineers aren't meant to be cogs, we need thinkers and that's why they are prized. So instead, academic research aids well better. Plus someone has to do that research since it will ultimately lead to new engineering solutions that cannot be realized purely through private business.
    You're misquoting me. Actually, I said that the advancement of online education could end academic snobbery; which is true, in the sense that lower-cost education could be made available to a much wider pool of students. Frankly, I find it odd that you won't support this and I see no justification for your position, aside from a skewed sense of self-preservation.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of the pre internet engineering was formed off campus.
    I think that was during the explosion of the industrial revolution.

    There's no real requirement for it to be done at an academic location.
    There is not. However, for the advanced Engineer, it will take place there as Academia is where the resources are aggregated to such level as to allow for the necessary research into engineering. A lot of "pre-internet engineering" or whatever your're trying to claim may have been formed off campus (I'd like some statistics on that, BTW); but where do most of those people meet?
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Here's an interesting note. For their Engineering degrees, they have to go out and "work" in a lab or business. The chair of the Physics Department at CSU at the time was Hocheimer...or however you spell that....German. So he gets all about having these engineers come and spend a few months in our labs as part of this process. We got 2 German Engineers who turned out to be absolute crap. They couldn't engineer their way out of a wet paper bag. Eventually we told one of them to take the rest of the time off and see Colorado cause it was WAY better than having them in the lab where all they would do is make more work for me.

    Cogs....they're not that great.

    Note: That's not to say all German Engineers are bad, only that their system isn't a fail safe.
    I think it's fairly common knowledge that Germany produces very good engineers. I'll leave it at that.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Engineers have a lot of value, thanks for the snobby attitude (which I find ironic since you soooo want to stamp out the academic snob). Interning is not necessary unless you're making a cog. Engineers aren't meant to be cogs, we need thinkers and that's why they are prized. So instead, academic research aids well better. Plus someone has to do that research since it will ultimately lead to new engineering solutions that cannot be realized purely through private business.
    Internships allow a student to get his foot in the door, so to speak, at a company. It's a great way to secure a job for the future.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're misquoting me. Actually, I said that the advancement of online education could end academic snobbery; which is true, in the sense that lower-cost education could be made available to a much wider pool of students. Frankly, I find it odd that you won't support this and I see no justification for your position, aside from a skewed sense of self-preservation.
    I'm not against the online classroom. I'm saying that you're not replacing academia and your little "I hope this crushes academic snobbery" BS is nothing more than a pipe dream that is likely making you so hostile against academia. You are not going to get rid of Academia, you will not get rid of the Lecture Hall. All pure academic pursuit, such as science, art, math, philosophy, music, etc. will always be found within the halls of Academia and the tops in most of those fields (particularly Engineering, Science, and Math) will be born from Academia, not your little cog world of non-thinkers.

    There will be integration of online courses, I think entire schools like the Business School can likely be replaced with online only courses. Other subjects you will be unable to get away from it, and if much of your degree counts on research (like science, engineering, math, etc.); you will have to be on campus...a lot.
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