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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's exactly the point. I have known a wide array of Engineers, Engineering being tied closely to Physics, the research and study is intense and requires hands on experience. Art falls into this as well. You can paint a picture at home, but how many have kilns, or the industrial machinery required for certain forms of sculpting? Philosophy flourishes from the academic environment as well and benefits from on campus interaction. The hardcore academic subjects require an academic presence; online alone cannot cut it. Online can go well with cookie-cutter or cog type education, but engineering isn't of that category. Engineers have to think.
    Precisely. How do I work with my fellow engineers (the single MOST important aspect of engineering) on building a robot over the internet?
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What do you think?
    I say yes.I am surprised that teachers in India,China or some other country are not already being skyped to classrooms to colleges in the US. I bet colleges can save money by hiring only a handful of teachers in India,China or some other country and just pay a tech to turn a projector on and off and maintain it.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Precisely. How do I work with my fellow engineers (the single MOST important aspect of engineering) on building a robot over the internet?
    Really? Dude, you can totally find internet forums dedicated to building robots.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Precisely. How do I work with my fellow engineers (the single MOST important aspect of engineering) on building a robot over the internet?
    From a civil engineering point of view you can always tell the cookbook engineers (cogs) from the ones that actually go out into the field. Their blueprints may look the same in the office but the errors skyrocket the more they stay behind the desk. You can't engineer to match the real world if you never see it.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Really? Dude, you can totally find internet forums dedicated to building robots.
    You have a tendency to hone in on one piece of the sentence and ignore the rest. I said working with your fellow engineers. Companies don't work through Internet forums. They work in collaberative teams in person.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's exactly the point. I have known a wide array of Engineers, Engineering being tied closely to Physics, the research and study is intense and requires hands on experience. Art falls into this as well. You can paint a picture at home, but how many have kilns, or the industrial machinery required for certain forms of sculpting? Philosophy flourishes from the academic environment as well and benefits from on campus interaction. The hardcore academic subjects require an academic presence; online alone cannot cut it. Online can go well with cookie-cutter or cog type education, but engineering isn't of that category. Engineers have to think.
    Ideally, young engineers-to-be would be educated online while interning somewhere. Same for the other disciplines.

    The thing is, Ikari, engineers actually have economic value. They are prized, and have no trouble finding work. A young engineer could intern somewhere, say Texas Instruments, and use all their cool stuff while learning theory via interactive online courses.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Some, the hybrid subjects and the non-academic subjects can be moved to mostly online. Any true academic pursuit will still take place at University.
    Now you're overgeneralizing, I think, about the nature of "true academic pursuit."

    Distance education delivery systems are more diverse than most people think. It's come a long, long way since ye olde days of WebCT.

    Hybrid courses (half chalk-and-talk/half online) are becoming more popular because they meet the need that many learners have for human interaction (and as engineers on this thread are pointing out, literally hands-on experience) while also providing the opportunity for the academic institution to manage enrollment and for the student to wisely manage time. I love the synchronous/asynchronous synergy.

    No need to worry about the comparative quality either; the accrediting agencies are focused on ensuring quality control in distance education, and the feds are also taking new interest too.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You have a tendency to hone in on one piece of the sentence and ignore the rest. I said working with your fellow engineers. Companies don't work through Internet forums. They work in collaberative teams in person.
    So do you. Maybe it's an engineer's trait. See, you guys think I'm saying that all universities should just close up shop, when actually what I'm suggesting is a three-prong approach:

    1.) More emphasis on and more credit hours toward internships, paid or otherwise, for human interaction, useful practical advice, and contacts

    2.) University labs for lab assignments and experimentation and

    3.) Online courses for lectures and theory.

    Go back and read every single post I've made in this thread, and that's what I keep saying. You guys keep hearing something different.

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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Ideally, young engineers-to-be would be educated online while interning somewhere. Same for the other disciplines.

    The thing is, Ikari, engineers actually have economic value. They are prized, and have no trouble finding work. A young engineer could intern somewhere, say Texas Instruments, and use all their cool stuff while learning theory via interactive online courses.
    Germany has an option to do something similar. Out of high school you can apply for a company in what is called a dual study. You get accepted to a company, then you start college at their partner university. You alternate 6 months in school, 6 months as an intern. You get paid a part time salary year round. After 3 years you have a bachelors, 18 mos experience, and a full time position. I think this is a great model and I almost did it myself. None of this however is online.
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    Re: Technology and education

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Germany has an option to do something similar. Out of high school you can apply for a company in what is called a dual study. You get accepted to a company, then you start college at their partner university. You alternate 6 months in school, 6 months as an intern. You get paid a part time salary year round. After 3 years you have a bachelors, 18 mos experience, and a full time position. I think this is a great model and I almost did it myself. None of this however is online.
    I didn't know that. It sounds like a great system, those damn Germans can be pretty smart sometimes.

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