Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

I'm noticing a trend in the results.

1. A lot of americans who want space programs don't want more cooperation with other space agencies. This is quite disheartening since the ESA has worked with NASA on several programs, including the world famous, Hubble telescope. And much more. Would some americans who voted for that option express a point as to why would you be isolationists in this regard?

2. very few people from Europe or Russia or other places commenting and voting here .

Bodhisattva said:

The program is not worthless.. . it is just in a transition from government to private. Relax.

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We can leave the stuff like going into near Earth orbit, and similar stuff like that to the private sector, but we need to have the government work on experimental stuff, and stuff that has value that doesn't correlate to direct profit, because the private sector isn't going to spend millions of dollars on something that won't net them a profit, even though the knowledge might be valuable to us as a species.

Rainman05 said:

I'm noticing a trend in the results.

1. A lot of americans who want space programs don't want more cooperation with other space agencies. This is quite disheartening since the ESA has worked with NASA on several programs, including the world famous, Hubble telescope. And much more. Would some americans who voted for that option express a point as to why would you be isolationists in this regard?

2. very few people from Europe or Russia or other places commenting and voting here .

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We made the Hubble... **** the ****ing EU.

Your Star said:

We can leave the stuff like going into near Earth orbit, and similar stuff like that to the private sector, but we need to have the government work on experimental stuff, and stuff that has value that doesn't correlate to direct profit, because the private sector isn't going to spend millions of dollars on something that won't net them a profit, even though the knowledge might be valuable to us as a species.

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Last I time I went to Mars it was a private venture...

Bodhisattva said:

We made the Hubble... **** the ****ing EU.

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Yes, the hubble was made and launched by NASA. But like many other space programs, the ESA and various other European agencies played a part in developing it and these agencies worked together for a common goal.

European Space Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hubble Space Telescope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Space Telescope European Coordinating Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will leave you to read everything if you want to know more, but here is something nice to read, easy for you to understand. This is not made-up stuff, this is reality. ESA and NASA worked together on several projects.

20th anniversary
The Hubble Telescope celebrated its 20th anniversary in space on April 22, 2010. To commemorate the occasion, NASA, ESA, and Space Telescope Institute (STScI) released an image from the Carina Nebula.[117]

Rainman05 said:

Yes, the hubble was made and launched by NASA. But like many other space programs, the ESA and various other European agencies played a part in developing it and these agencies worked together for a common goal.

European Space Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hubble Space Telescope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Space Telescope European Coordinating Facility - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will leave you to read everything if you want to know more, but here is something nice to read, easy for you to understand. This is not made-up stuff, this is reality. ESA and NASA worked together on several projects.

20th anniversary
The Hubble Telescope celebrated its 20th anniversary in space on April 22, 2010. To commemorate the occasion, NASA, ESA, and Space Telescope Institute (STScI) released an image from the Carina Nebula.[117]

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I personally know a couple of the top physicists that worked on the Hubble, as they are in my family.

I probably know far more than you could ever hope to research on Wikipedia. Good luck.

Start with Electo Optics...

Detectors...

Optical Imagery...

Etc.

Bodhisattva said:

I personally know a couple of the top physicists that worked on the Hubble, as they are in my family.

I probably know far more than you could ever hope to research on Wikipedia. Good luck.

Start with Electo Optics...

Detectors...

Optical Imagery...

Etc.

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Oh, well, that just goes to show that it doesn't matter who your parents or relatives are, you can still be ignorant and completely clueless of basic things despite being around intelligent and common sense people.

I don't need luck here. I just need to call you out on your BS and your frail, and somewhat dim, intelligence and knowledge. Which is really not hard, just time consuming.

You got shown up, and now you have to swallow it.

rainman05 said:

oh, well, that just goes to show that it doesn't matter who your parents or relatives are, you can still be ignorant and completely clueless of basic things despite being around intelligent and common sense people.

I don't need luck here. I just need to call you out on your bs and your frail, and somewhat dim, intelligence and knowledge. Which is really not hard, just time consuming.

You got shown up, and now you have to swallow it.

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Uh-huh......

Bodhisattva said:

Your post shows that you don't know ****. I didn't claim that the EU had NOTHING to do with anything... just that the USA was... well, you are just another USA hater. Contact PeteEU. He will be your butt buddy from now on. Everything Anti'USA and you can suck each others dicks. He loves dick. Have fun you stupid ****ing moron. God damn if dumb ****ing douche bags like you don't make humanity look stupid. ****.

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I can mess with you anyway I want. You are soooo weak as a debater.

Bodhisattva said:

We made the Hubble... **** the ****ing EU.

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See, all I did was call you out on this, but in fact, I agree. F the Fing EU, I do not like the EU one bit. And because of that, it is also true that the EU did nothing, at all. The ESA is not an EU agency. It is in fact, an agency that pre-dates the EU and it just an agreement between European nations. So you are ignorant on multiple counts because I already provided you the links to the ESA to read it. Where it says that it is not an EU agency. So the EU did nothing, but the ESA had an important contribution which you cannot deny.

The only reason I wrote that comprehensive and well educated reply was to show you off. Like, when you go to the zoo and see a baboon. The baboon can't read. Can't comprehend a lot of things and it is a generally very funny looking animal.

You too cannot read, cannot comprehend and your way of interpreting things is also, very funny.

Now. Go back and eat a banana or whatever it is you do. Because I am sure thinking is one of the least prominent activities that you perform in your daily life.

EDIT: Not that you are a monkey or anything. It is just interesting to draw parallels between stuff.

Rainman05 said:

I can mess with you anyway I want. You are soooo weak as a debater.



See, all I did was call you out on this, but in fact, I agree. F the Fing EU, I do not like the EU one bit. And because of that, it is also true that the EU did nothing, at all. The ESA is not an EU agency. It is in fact, an agency that pre-dates the EU and it just an agreement between European nations. So you are ignorant on multiple counts because I already provided you the links to the ESA to read it. Where it says that it is not an EU agency. So the EU did nothing, but the ESA had an important contribution which you cannot deny.

The only reason I wrote that comprehensive and well educated reply was to show you off. Like, when you go to the zoo and see a baboon. The baboon can't read. Can't comprehend a lot of things and it is a generally very funny looking animal.

You too cannot read, cannot comprehend and your way of interpreting things is also, very funny.

Now. Go back and eat a banana or whatever it is you do. Because I am sure thinking is one of the least prominent activities that you perform in your daily life.

EDIT: Not that you are a monkey or anything. It is just interesting to draw parallels between stuff.

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dixon?

Well educated? From what Community College? :lol:

Bodhisattva said:

Weak is not even realizing that you are out of the debate the ****ing second that it begins... You are too ****ing stupid to even realize that you don't even have merit to what you are challenging..
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Ah, well. I guess it is indeed over.Smile for the camera.

Rainman05 said:

Ah, well. I guess it is indeed over.Smile for the camera.

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Even though you have no idea why you lost... at least you stopped banging your head against he wall.

Bodhisattva said:

We made the Hubble... **** the ****ing EU.

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That's like saying the EU made the LHC, which is incorrect.

MoSurveyor said:

That's like saying the EU made the LHC, which is incorrect.

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My same family member worded on that as well...

Bodhisattva said:

I personally know a couple of the top physicists that worked on the Hubble, as they are in my family.

I probably know far more than you could ever hope to research on Wikipedia. Good luck.

Start with Electo Optics...

Detectors...

Optical Imagery...

Etc.

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I'll take NASA's word over yours, thanks.

NASA suggested that the lifetime of the space telescope be fifteen years, which implied that the instruments needed the ability to be replaced on the ground or even serviced in orbit—an ability not afforded to any satellite before or since. Scientists also had to balance the size and quantity of scientific instruments versus their cost. Too many instruments meant financial support was less likely; conversely, instruments of minimal capability would result in the loss of scientific support for the telescope. The European Space Agency (ESA) joined the project in 1975 and provided fifteen percent of the funding of the LST via contribution of the Faint Object Camera (FOC) and the solar arrays. In return, NASA guaranteed at least fifteen percent of telescope time—the amount of time astronomers use the telescope for space observations - to European astronomers. In 1977, Congress approved funding to build one of the most sophisticated satellites ever constructed.

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NASA - The Hubble Story Continued

MoSurveyor said:

I'll take NASA's word over yours, thanks.

NASA - The Hubble Story Continued

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How the hell does that negate my statement? It doesn't. It just shows ignorance. My family member is at the forefront of electro optic research... primarily detectors. Want to know how light energy trasfers from a light wave into an image that we are able to see on a screen? Thank my family member because if it was left up to some of the people on this site we would still be using 8-Tracks.

RabidAlpaca said:

It's absolutely not worthless. NASA actually has a positive revenue stream from the patents that are invented during the space process. The issue is people like you over the past 30 years have stopped giving a ****, so they don't have the kind of funding they need to do the really big stuff. Too many people see space as just empty, and are too worried about what's going on here. Even if you take out the revenue NASA takes in, it's a fraction of a percent of the US budget.

Here and here are some of the inventions, just a few out of thousands.

Some of the most notable:
- Image processing for mammograms
- Scratch-resistant Lenses
- Ear Thermometer
- Shoe Insoles
- Long-distance Telecommunications
- Adjustable Smoke Detector
- Water Filters

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Utility Man said:

What an idiotic statement and coming from a supposed marine.

Even my grandmother knows of GPS and satellite imagery etc.

Einstein summed you up way back when......

"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice......"

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Your Star said:

The US Space Program is not worthless, to say that is so shortsighted, and wrong it just sends shivers down my spine. I'm sure you don't think GPS is worthless, or the other literally thousands of practical applications based off of the knowledge that we have learned through our space program.

And if we aren't exploring, pushing the boundaries of what is possible, then we will stagnate as a species.

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Typical arguments from all. Here's a question that none of you can answer. What has NASA discovered while galavanting about space that has positively impacted the human race? I don't want to hear about the offspring of their work to get to space, I don't want to hear about the products they have produced. These are all things, IMO, that could have been discovered and marketed without the actual trip to space occuring and without a NASA existing to begin with. NASA, at this point, should be relegated to satellite tracking as its sole purpose. That is a relevant program that they manage and should manage. Trips to Mars do nothing for us here. NASA is a nice to have program that should be cut (minus satellite management) until we can get our fiscal house in order. The fact of the matter is that all we have gained from the actual space trips conducted is some "ooo ahh" pictures and that's about it. This isn't the first time I've posted this and most of you were a part of that discussion as well.

All of you can throw around the anti-science tag all you want and it won't stick. You won't find any proof of me saying anything against science. You can keep your bigotted and discriminatory opinion of "well, his username says Tea Partier so he must be anti science". I am anti-waste. The military, as it is currently spending, is a waste. But I would offer that it is much more useful than researching Mars. Most foreign aid is a waste. But I would offer that it is much more useful than researching Mars. Medicare/aid are not solvent programs. They are definitely more useful that researching Mars. Mars doesn't matter to people who see a 16 tril debt crushing our economy, among other things. Mars doesn't matter to people driving down rutted up, pothole covered interstates. Mars doesn't matter to people that are having their taxes raised to pay for "Obamacare" as it's called. These are all things that the $17.8 billion they received last year could've helped out with.House-Senate agreement would give NASA $17.8 billion in 2012 « Space Politics

Bodhisattva said:

How the hell does that negate my statement? It doesn't. It just shows ignorance. My family member is at the forefront of electro optic research... primarily detectors. Want to know how light energy trasfers from a light wave into an image that we are able to see on a screen? Thank my family member because if it was left up to some of the people on this site we would still be using 8-Tracks.

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Well I'm not one of those people. I support science and education every chance I get.


And, honestly, I don't care what you say about your family. This is the Internet. You have no proof nor reason for me to believe you other than my opinion of you, which is going downhill fast.

The poll is racist. Herp derp my arse.

MarineTpartier said:

Typical arguments from all. Here's a question that none of you can answer. What has NASA discovered while galavanting about space that has positively impacted the human race?

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Do you expect private industry to take over LEO deliveries and advance our presence there? If so, then you already have your answer. Though that's far from the only answer, it's most likely the only one you'll recognize without a protracted argument and, quit frankly, after 50 years of arguing with you people I'm sick of it.

MoSurveyor said:

Well I'm not one of those people. I support science and education every chance I get.


And, honestly, I don't care what you say about your family. This is the Internet. You have no proof nor reason for me to believe you other than my opinion of you, which is going downhill fast.

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Good. Helps me differentiate the intelligent from those that lack it... think what you will. Believe the "Internet"! :lol:

That alone shows your ... anyway... sorry buddy.

MarineTpartier said:

.....All of you can throw around the anti-science tag all you want and it won't stick. You won't find any proof of me saying anything against science.....

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Sorry then, I must have misinterpreted this earlier statement:

MarineTpartier said:

What in the world does that have to do with the fact that the US Space Program is worthless?.....

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eace

MarineTpartier said:

... What has NASA discovered while galavanting about space that has positively impacted the human race?.......

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Earth:

spud_meister said:

The poll is racist. Herp derp my arse.

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Aussies see everthing as racist...

Bodhisattva said:

Good. Helps me differentiate the intelligent from those that lack it... think what you will. Believe the "Internet"! :lol:

That alone shows your ... anyway... sorry buddy.

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:lamo
Talk about lack of intelligence. Have much trouble with reading comprehension? The second paragraph was all about your supposed personal relation to those projects. You have no evidence, nor can you present any evidence, that any of your family members ever did anything at all except have you.