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  • I'm an American and I consider NASA a priority

    38 63.33%
  • I'm an American and I don't consider space programs a priority

    12 20.00%
  • I'm an American and I want more international coop (NASA + ESA + other)

    20 33.33%
  • I'm an European and I consider ESA a priority

    2 3.33%
  • I'm an European and I want more international coop

    2 3.33%
  • I'm an European and I don't care about space programs

    0 0%
  • I'm Russian and I want more for Roscosmos

    1 1.67%
  • I'm Russian and I want more cooperation

    1 1.67%
  • I'm Russian and I don't care about space programs

    0 0%
  • I'm (other) and herp derp, I leave comment

    4 6.67%
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I consider it a priority right there with Pakistani Sesame Street and the bridge to nowhere. There are far better things that the money could be spent on. NASA is the equivalent of a family who can't pay their mortgage taking a 2 week vacation to the Bahamas.
    The bridge as I remember was authorized by the darling of the TEA's and funded by tax payer dollars.
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If the nearest habitable planet is only 20 light years away, we have no chance of getting there....
    If we could somehow attain light speed, we would probably have to destroy our own planet for enough fuel to go that fast...
    Bernards Star which has several "medium" size planets around it is 3.4 light years. But the point is the same. Not in our lifetime.
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    the first step like a baby is to learn who to crawl then walk then run. In essence, Moon, Mars, satellits of planets that are habitable, then outside the system. Crawl first then run.
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I'm pretty sure it would be far easier to adapt to a changing Earth biosphere than to travel en masse and adapt to a foreign planets biosphere (or more likely have to create one from scratch).

    There may be a time when space exploration is a pressing concern - but there are plenty of resources still to extract on Earth, plenty of ways to develop a more efficient relationship with the Earth and really big oceans where we know new species exist that we have not yet encountered.
    I mean asteroids, solar flares on a massive scale, or some as yet unknown danger from somewhere out in space.

    Stuff that could eliminate the entire planet, or at best destroy a large portion of the ecosystem and screw the rest up completely.


    Thus necessitating leaving.

    And frankly, I'd rather already have left (to some degree) when/if something like that happens, so that tech for such exists, if only on a small scale...
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If the nearest habitable planet is only 20 light years away, we have no chance of getting there....
    If we could somehow attain light speed, we would probably have to destroy our own planet for enough fuel to go that fast...
    Yeah, just like the Nautilus was impossible - and men on the moon! LOL!

    Verne's ideas were scoffed at, too, but it took less than 100 years for some of them to come true. That's the thing about science, you never know what's over the next hill. The trick is to keep moving forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Bernards Star which has several "medium" size planets around it is 3.4 light years. But the point is the same. Not in our lifetime.
    Not to sound too picky but isn't it 6 ly? Alpha Centari is the closest at 4.2 ly.
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I have more faith in the idea of renewable energy and more and more efficient usage of fossils than at least 8 billion pilgrims feasibly setting up space colonies and actually finding their existence meaningful out there.
    Doesn't matter how efficient you use fossil fuels...we WILL eventually run out. There's a reason that they call it "non-renewable". And I'm not just talking about energy. I'm talking about materials also. To think that this planet will sustain humanity indefinately is very bad thinking. Because it won't. And I personally would find a life in space VERY fullfilling.
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    The bridge as I remember was authorized by the darling of the TEA's and funded by tax payer dollars.
    What in the world does that have to do with the fact that the US Space Program is worthless? Or was that just your pitiful attempt at baiting me? Bait fail
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Thought I'd comment and say that the quote in my sig is somewhat related to this thread’s topic - although it is more specifically directed at the possibility of alien life forms existing.
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah, just like the Nautilus was impossible - and men on the moon! LOL!

    Verne's ideas were scoffed at, too, but it took less than 100 years for some of them to come true. That's the thing about science, you never know what's over the next hill. The trick is to keep moving forward.

    Not to sound too picky but isn't it 6 ly? Alpha Centari is the closest at 4.2 ly.
    Real submarines predate Jules Verne's book....
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    re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Real submarines predate Jules Verne's book....
    In fact, he toured many before the writing - but I was talking about the power source. However, my memory failed me there. The nuclear source was from the 50's movie - the original was sodium/mercury batteries. It's been a loooong time since I read the original.

    They still thought going to the moon was impossible, though I admit, we didn't use Verne's method to get there. But today physicists are thinking about possible ways to achieve star flight and some of them are superluminal in nature, for example, the Alcubierre drive mentioned earlier.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
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