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  • I'm an American and I consider NASA a priority

    38 63.33%
  • I'm an American and I don't consider space programs a priority

    12 20.00%
  • I'm an American and I want more international coop (NASA + ESA + other)

    20 33.33%
  • I'm an European and I consider ESA a priority

    2 3.33%
  • I'm an European and I want more international coop

    2 3.33%
  • I'm an European and I don't care about space programs

    0 0%
  • I'm Russian and I want more for Roscosmos

    1 1.67%
  • I'm Russian and I want more cooperation

    1 1.67%
  • I'm Russian and I don't care about space programs

    0 0%
  • I'm (other) and herp derp, I leave comment

    4 6.67%
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Thread: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I believe the Russians have been dealing with the Space Station and they have been working with their Advanced plane X-47 which is an updated version of their 37. That will be able to break orbit and Drop out of Orbit as well. Not to mention if you recall they are putting up a space motel. That's why I put that piece up.
    Yes, but Roscosmos has aprox 3.8bil $ budget. NASA has 16bil $. The ESA has about 4.2bil $... or euros. So NASA has the biggest budget by a longshot. Therefore, it is the only one that can, atm, be the spearhead in space exploration. I cannot say what budget the chinese have for their agency since I cannot find that information in an accurate manner.

    However, I see no reason why cooperation cannot exist. It is not a matter of governments doing powerplays in this matter. It is about pooling resources for a common benefit.

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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    You said that the bridge to nowhere was worthless. Just reminding you who authorized it.
    Oh, well thanks for the public service
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Typical arguments from all. Here's a question that none of you can answer. What has NASA discovered while galavanting about space that has positively impacted the human race? I don't want to hear about the offspring of their work to get to space, I don't want to hear about the products they have produced. These are all things, IMO, that could have been discovered and marketed without the actual trip to space occuring and without a NASA existing to begin with. NASA, at this point, should be relegated to satellite tracking as its sole purpose. That is a relevant program that they manage and should manage. Trips to Mars do nothing for us here. NASA is a nice to have program that should be cut (minus satellite management) until we can get our fiscal house in order. The fact of the matter is that all we have gained from the actual space trips conducted is some "ooo ahh" pictures and that's about it. This isn't the first time I've posted this and most of you were a part of that discussion as well.

    All of you can throw around the anti-science tag all you want and it won't stick. You won't find any proof of me saying anything against science. You can keep your bigotted and discriminatory opinion of "well, his username says Tea Partier so he must be anti science". I am anti-waste. The military, as it is currently spending, is a waste. But I would offer that it is much more useful than researching Mars. Most foreign aid is a waste. But I would offer that it is much more useful than researching Mars. Medicare/aid are not solvent programs. They are definitely more useful that researching Mars. Mars doesn't matter to people who see a 16 tril debt crushing our economy, among other things. Mars doesn't matter to people driving down rutted up, pothole covered interstates. Mars doesn't matter to people that are having their taxes raised to pay for "Obamacare" as it's called. These are all things that the $17.8 billion they received last year could've helped out with.House-Senate agreement would give NASA $17.8 billion in 2012 « Space Politics
    As I see things, it matters not whether NASA's programs discover a million or zero new things we can use - the exploration and (eventual) exploitation/colonization is the main and most important task/goal as I see it.

    Hell, if the guy in that video earlier is right, grand and inspiring missions/tasks invigorate the people of our nation (the US in my case) - inspire them to innovate and the like...that in and of itself seems a good thing.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm, hundreds of sattillites hanging in space that help with tons of things down here on Earth. Been to the moon a few times which shows that it is possible and that we can go further. May not seem like much to you. But it does show the potential that is out there that can help mankind. And all those pictures that you scoff at as being nothing more than pretty pictures, helps us understand how things work, which in turn helps us focus on directions to go for development.
    So, let me get this straight. It's okay for you to deal in the hypothetical (potential that is out there, nothing actually useful yet) but not okay for me to (someone else would have invented all of the stuff NASA did eventually anyway)? Gotcha. How about this for a discovery. Lets see if we can balance the budget and stop running deficits. I think that would be a bigger feat that putting a man on Mars. I would use the moon but we've already done that. I am a function kind of guy. Sure, getting to the moon was cool so we could rub it in Russia's face. But what function did it serve to improve? Nothing. We need substance not moral victories
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The problem here is that Space X (along with any other private company) will never do everything that needs to be done. They will only focus on things that will make them money or has the greatest potential to make them money. You can have all the quarter backs you want in that football team of yours, but it will all be for nothing if the Coach doesn't do what needs to be done first. Tell me, do you really think that a company is going to spend the money to watch for, plan for, NEO's?
    Yes I do, if the US gov't tells them they will pay them for it. Have you not seen some of the reality shows on TV? There is always someone that will do something for money in this world. I stated earlier (to another user I believe) that the private industry has a ways to go before we could turn everything over to them.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As I see things, it matters not whether NASA's programs discover a million or zero new things we can use - the exploration and (eventual) exploitation/colonization is the main and most important task/goal as I see it.
    Colonization is a farce. It will never happen minus on the small scale like the ISS. For one, the US alone has too many fat people to be able to withstand the trip up lol. We could use that money to improve life here. That would be a far better use of our tax payer dollars.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Hell, if the guy in that video earlier is right, grand and inspiring missions/tasks invigorate the people of our nation (the US in my case) - inspire them to innovate and the like...that in and of itself seems a good thing.
    The Space Program hasn't invigorated anything minus the race to the moon in the 60's and Star Wars in the 80's. Oh, and a few kids say they want to be an astronaut but end up working at Mickey D's.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Colonization is a farce. It will never happen minus on the small scale like the ISS. For one, the US alone has too many fat people to be able to withstand the trip up lol. We could use that money to improve life here. That would be a far better use of our tax payer dollars.
    I don't mean now, I mean later. Exploitation is now.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The Space Program hasn't invigorated anything minus the race to the moon in the 60's and Star Wars in the 80's. Oh, and a few kids say they want to be an astronaut but end up working at Mickey D's.
    That's because NASA hasn't done anything that grabs a person and drags them into caring.

    Oh look, another robot is going to mars. Look at the pretty pictures.

    Hey, some telescope somewhere took these pictures.

    Hmm, some scientists theorize that this planet X-many LY away might have life forms.



    I mean, those things are cool, don't get me wrong.

    But they aren't....EPIC.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    The problem with this topic is that it becomes apparent quickly that it is really all about dreams. Its all about this nonsense of visiting other planets, colonization, and all this other scifi nonsense. None of this stuff is realistic and none of it serves any purpose.

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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't mean now, I mean later. Exploitation is now.
    Exploitation of what though? There are no resources to use. There isn't anything useful in space.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's because NASA hasn't done anything that grabs a person and drags them into caring.
    Oh look, another robot is going to mars. Look at the pretty pictures.
    Hey, some telescope somewhere took these pictures.
    Hmm, some scientists theorize that this planet X-many LY away might have life forms.
    I mean, those things are cool, don't get me wrong.
    But they aren't....EPIC.
    EPIC doesn't pay the bills.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The problem with this topic is that it becomes apparent quickly that it is really all about dreams. Its all about this nonsense of visiting other planets, colonization, and all this other scifi nonsense. None of this stuff is realistic and none of it serves any purpose.
    Exactly bro. It's all hypothetical. It's all "well, if we just go a little further..." Like I said earlier, if we were in good standing debt/deficit wise and the world was relatively peaceful (I know we'll never have world peace) then I wouldn't have an issue with the space program. However, I think a more impressive feat would be to balance the budget, get entitlements in order, stop useless foreign spending, etc. Those all seem less likely to happen than putting a colony on Mars lol.
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