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  • I'm an American and I consider NASA a priority

    38 63.33%
  • I'm an American and I don't consider space programs a priority

    12 20.00%
  • I'm an American and I want more international coop (NASA + ESA + other)

    20 33.33%
  • I'm an European and I consider ESA a priority

    2 3.33%
  • I'm an European and I want more international coop

    2 3.33%
  • I'm an European and I don't care about space programs

    0 0%
  • I'm Russian and I want more for Roscosmos

    1 1.67%
  • I'm Russian and I want more cooperation

    1 1.67%
  • I'm Russian and I don't care about space programs

    0 0%
  • I'm (other) and herp derp, I leave comment

    4 6.67%
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    What in the world does that have to do with the fact that the US Space Program is worthless? Or was that just your pitiful attempt at baiting me? Bait fail
    You said that the bridge to nowhere was worthless. Just reminding you who authorized it.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A variety of variables have been plugged into the "Drake Equations" to estimate how many sapient technological civilizations might exist at this moment in the galaxy... but most top scientists and futurists admit it is all speculation because we lack the data to do more than make wild guesses.

    Also, planets with some level of life may be far more common than planets with INTELLIGENT life...
    Uh huh. Sapient civilzations? do you mean sincient technologies?
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah, just like the Nautilus was impossible - and men on the moon! LOL!

    Verne's ideas were scoffed at, too, but it took less than 100 years for some of them to come true. That's the thing about science, you never know what's over the next hill. The trick is to keep moving forward.

    Not to sound too picky but isn't it 6 ly? Alpha Centari is the closest at 4.2 ly.
    I do not believe so. But I could be wrong. In any event there is a star system only 3.4 LYs out.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    No, I'm pointing out that the comparison applies to military spending - that the most common argument on this thread for spending is unintended consequences of R&D on civilian life rather than what the main point of the endeavour is. In the case of a military we have the simple mission statement of defense, with NASA it's "what's in space".
    And each of those unintended consequences are bringing us closer to our goal of reaching beyond the confines of our planet. You didn't really think that going into space would be simple did you? And its a hell of a lot more of a peaceful endeavor than killing each other. What has War contributed to peace and expansion of the human race?
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    We don't have to aim for interstellar travel to solve any resource crisis in any near term. We can just focus that money on the domestic problem.
    Thinking only about near term solutions is nothing more than putting a bandaid on a 10 inch cut on your head. True success is about thinking long term.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Actually, I believe pressure to innovate drives innovation. Hoping for spin-off solutions to an identifiable problem by dreamily aiming for the stars which we are under no pressure to do rather than directly looking at the problem may take away our second chance.
    Spin-offs are nice, but they are just that, spin-offs. Unintended consequences of trying to accomplish something else. So "hoping for spin-off solutions to an identifiable problem" is not what is happening. But spin-offs are good because they show that accomplishments are happening and that we are getting closer and closer to our ultimate goal.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It's not that I don't mind working with them so much. But I just think the US should lead the Way.
    There really isn't another nation that currently can. The US is the only who has in place the funding, the academia and the infrastructure to take the main role. In fact, the only opposition the US is facing in this regard, is from within the US itself -> the congress and partisanship.

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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    What HAS actually happened during NASA's primary function, space travel? Nothing. That's what. Cool pictures though
    Hmm, hundreds of sattillites hanging in space that help with tons of things down here on Earth. Been to the moon a few times which shows that it is possible and that we can go further. May not seem like much to you. But it does show the potential that is out there that can help mankind. And all those pictures that you scoff at as being nothing more than pretty pictures, helps us understand how things work, which in turn helps us focus on directions to go for development.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I'll use a football analogy. If you have a quarterback who leads his team mates, ensures everyone on the offense is set correctly, stays after practice working with receivers, and makes sure players are respectful of coaches but can't throw the football, what happens to that quarterback? He goes away. Sure, all of that other stuff is nice but someone else that actually performs their job could do it just as well. NASA needs to go away. The only useful function they perform is satellite tracking and maintenance and Space X is showing the capability to even do that.
    The problem here is that Space X (along with any other private company) will never do everything that needs to be done. They will only focus on things that will make them money or has the greatest potential to make them money. You can have all the quarter backs you want in that football team of yours, but it will all be for nothing if the Coach doesn't do what needs to be done first. Tell me, do you really think that a company is going to spend the money to watch for, plan for, NEO's?
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    There really isn't another nation that currently can. The US is the only who has in place the funding, the academia and the infrastructure to take the main role. In fact, the only opposition the US is facing in this regard, is from within the US itself -> the congress and partisanship.
    I believe the Russians have been dealing with the Space Station and they have been working with their Advanced plane X-47 which is an updated version of their 37. That will be able to break orbit and Drop out of Orbit as well. Not to mention if you recall they are putting up a space motel. That's why I put that piece up.

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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    I don't happen to see the point in the entire venture. If people wish to explore the universe more power to them and I hope them the best but there is better things to do.

    As for the military aspect of it which some people have mentioned, I can't even fathom how that is beneficial to the people.
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    Re: Space programs and their support among the population [W:91]

    Did someone say we would have to wait until we brought something back from like say Mars?



    A 2 billion year old Martian rock appears to have at one time been full of water from the surface of the Red Planet.

    "Here we have a piece of Mars that I can hold in my hands. That's really exciting," Carl Agee, director of the Institute of Meteoritics and curator at the University of New Mexico, told the Associated Press.

    Agee led a team of scientists who published their report on the newly discovered meteorite, nicknamed Black Beauty, in the journal Science. The rock is estimated to have contained 6,000 parts per million water, and scientists believe it likely interacted with water at a time when most of the planet’s surface was believed to have been arid.

    The baseball-size rock was discovered in the Sahara, and scientists say it contains more evidence of water than any of the other known Martian rock samples.....snip~

    Scientists say ancient Martian rock was full of water | The Sideshow - Yahoo! News

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