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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should cops be allowed to lie when interrogating someone for a crime?

    Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.

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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Your girlfriend is murdered. You are questioned. Tigger is immediately a reasonable suspect. Tigger is grandly stupid?

    I'll give you this: You're consistent.
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    Re: Lying cops...

    Another example for Tigger...

    What if you just walk into a store to buy some milk and the police pull up just as you see a dead clerk? No chance to call the police on a phone...you're automatically a suspect.
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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.
    So ignorant or stupid people automatically deserve to be lied to and possibly charged with a crime?
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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am quite well aware of that. What I'm talking about is being questioned as a suspect, not as a witness. As for being falsely accused by another suspect.... If you are close enough to that person and/or situation to be reasonably suspect you are guilty of grand stupidity so far as I'm concerned.
    I'm talking about being questioned as a suspect (or person of interest) as well. It's incredibly easy for an innocent person to be questioned as a suspect or person of interest for reasons other than them being "stupid" such as simply being married to a victim or being an employee of a business. Moreover, the idea that "being close to another suspect" makes one guilty of "grand stupidity" is laughably stupid. Anybody with friends, family and acquaintances could know someone who will be suspected or guilty of a crime and any of those people could falsely accuse us under the right conditions.

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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.
    I can't imagine speaking to the police without a lawyer, but a lot of people aren't taught that basic knowledge - that doesn't mean 'they deserve what they get.' It means they're ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Another example for Tigger...

    What if you just walk into a store to buy some milk and the police pull up just as you see a dead clerk? No chance to call the police on a phone...you're automatically a suspect.
    Another example: You stay late at work to get ahead for the next day and tie up some loose ends. You think you're the only one left in the building, but it turns out the next day that someone else was there and stole money. You're automatically a suspect. Are you stupid for trying to do your job well and being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

    There are so many examples of why Tigger is incorrect.

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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So ignorant or stupid people automatically deserve to be lied to and possibly charged with a crime?

    You are saying that " ignorant and stupid people automatically " are lied to by the Police. Your strawman has lumps in his underwear.

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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Any moron that talks to the Police without their lawyer present deserves what they get? It's simple. You say, "I'm not a lawyer and you are asking legal questions and only a lawyer can answer legal questions. My lawyer speaks legal, I do not." End of questions or no answers required after this statement.
    That's baloney. A myth perpetrated by, guess who?? Lawyers.

    If my loved one is killed, I'm going to be questioned. If I've done nothing wrong, you can damned well betcha' I'm going to be answering cops' questions immediately. The so-called 48-hour window isn't a myth. Time is everything in a murder investigation. The faster the cops can rule me out . . . the faster I can give information about my loved one's schedule, enemies, etc., etc., the closer cops can get to finding the perp.

    If I had a police record, I would probably feel differently. But the idea that the cops are "out ta' gitcha" is ridiculous. They're out to solve the crime.
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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm..coercing. A few decades ago they stopped police from hiding behind bill boards, bushes etc etc due to it being entrapment. Could a cop lieing during an interrogation be considered the same also?
    I think so...more so than hiding behind a billboard (didn't know they couldn't do that, BTW. I wouldn't call that entrapment as it is not active involvement of police). I think lying could easily be seen as such, however, since the attempt is to force the individual through false information and a purposeful environment meant to raise stress and anxiety, thus short circuiting higher thinking, to admit to crime or knowledge of crime. I think that what the police present must be true, or "reasonably true". They can't just make **** up because they want to put the screws to someone in order to obtain a confession.

    Also, the DA uses this form of coercion too with charging people with inappropriate crime and giving them a plea down. Even innocent people take the plea because it is often simpler and due to dishonesty in the police and DA, often times innocent people are convicted of crimes. That too should be cracked down on. Plea deals are all fine and good and have appropriate place; but the way they are wielded now is government coercion.
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    Re: Lying cops...

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm talking about being questioned as a suspect (or person of interest) as well. It's incredibly easy for an innocent person to be questioned as a suspect or person of interest for reasons other than them being "stupid" such as simply being married to a victim or being an employee of a business. Moreover, the idea that "being close to another suspect" makes one guilty of "grand stupidity" is laughably stupid. Anybody with friends, family and acquaintances could know someone who will be suspected or guilty of a crime and any of those people could falsely accuse us under the right conditions.
    That's why some of us prefer not to have very many friends, and to vete them quite thoroughly before letting them get very close to us in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Your girlfriend is murdered. You are questioned. Tigger is immediately a reasonable suspect. Tigger is grandly stupid? I'll give you this: You're consistent.
    Yep. That's the way it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What if you just walk into a store to buy some milk and the police pull up just as you see a dead clerk? No chance to call the police on a phone...you're automatically a suspect.
    Yes you are. You're also more than likely in a neighborhood that you never should have been in to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So its "Grand Stupidity" to know someone that just committed murder without any priors and absolutely no reason to think they would commit such a murder and then try and pin it on you? Seems to me that the only way to avoid such a thing is to be a hermit living by yourself in the mountains with absolutely no ties...and even then someone that saw you might try and pin it on you just to draw attention away from themselves.
    That is pretty much the best way to do it. There are ways to at least minimize your chance of being involved with anyone like that while remaining in society, but in the end it pretty much ends up being about the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Consistently nasty and close minded.
    Guilty as Charged. :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Another example: You stay late at work to get ahead for the next day and tie up some loose ends. You think you're the only one left in the building, but it turns out the next day that someone else was there and stole money. You're automatically a suspect. Are you stupid for trying to do your job well and being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
    You're stupid for staying late at work to begin with. You're even stupider for working at a company without proper security and surveilance measures in place.

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