View Poll Results: Should people on welfare and unemployment have to work for the state they draw from?

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Thread: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw from

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually if we can get top management talent for less money the money saved should go to the stockholders.

    paying more than the going rate for labor is stupid
    Or we are grossly overpaying executives and grossly underpaying workers, and paying executives less so that we can pay workers more will mean that both types of employees will be paid what they are worth.

    Especially if by paying those workers more they are better able to pay for the things they need, such as shelter, transportation, and medical care rather than have the government provide those things to them since they are too underpaid to afford such things themselves.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Or we are grossly overpaying executives and grossly underpaying workers, and paying executives less so that we can pay workers more will mean that both types of employees will be paid what they are worth.

    Especially if by paying those workers more they are better able to pay for the things they need, such as shelter, transportation, and medical care rather than have the government provide those things to them since they are too underpaid to afford such things themselves.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the market determines what we pay common labor

    executives often is a combination of unique circumstances and in some cases the ego of boards
    I am quite aware of all the variables of market forces. However, this thread is specifically talking about getting people off unemployment and welfare. And one of the problems of those who are unemployed and on welfare is that many of them are "the working poor" - those who work but not at wage levels that allows them to survive.

    So not only are they working at low wages, but the original poster of this thread wants them to work even more to get welfare just to survive.

    When, instead of the government giving these working poor money to just survive, corporations could be called on to allow these workers to earn enough in wages just to survive.

    If corporations don't want to provide wages at a level that allow workers to survive, then the government will step in and provide welfare to allow workers to survive, which they do anyways by taxing people who work but get higher salaries.

    So this can be paid for either by paying executives less and paying workers more or by paying executives more and then taxing them more. Either way, it's going to happen.

    So if it's going to happen we may as well pay them viable wages for doing an honest day's job.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    I am not certain, but at least I care(on an internet level, anyway).
    Waste is the problem....such as "make work"...which does no man any good..
    Maybe big business has created a "free loons" problem.
    I feel that men love to work, but must be treated well, and with respect.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I am quite aware of all the variables of market forces. However, this thread is specifically talking about getting people off unemployment and welfare. And one of the problems of those who are unemployed and on welfare is that many of them are "the working poor" - those who work but not at wage levels that allows them to survive.

    So not only are they working at low wages, but the original poster of this thread wants them to work even more to get welfare just to survive.

    When, instead of the government giving these working poor money to just survive, corporations could be called on to allow these workers to earn enough in wages just to survive.

    If corporations don't want to provide wages at a level that allow workers to survive, then the government will step in and provide welfare to allow workers to survive, which they do anyways by taxing people who work but get higher salaries.

    So this can be paid for either by paying executives less and paying workers more or by paying executives more and then taxing them more. Either way, it's going to happen.

    So if it's going to happen we may as well pay them viable wages for doing an honest day's job.
    So they can survive on unemployment but can't survive working? WTF?

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    So they can survive on unemployment but can't survive working? WTF?
    I wasn't talking about unemployment in that post. I was talking about welfare, workfare, and those who work low wage jobs and still get welfare because those jobs don't pay them enough for them to survive.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I wasn't talking about unemployment in that post. I was talking about welfare, workfare, and those who work low wage jobs and still get welfare because those jobs don't pay them enough for them to survive.
    Then maybe they need to develop some better job skills so they can get better jobs?
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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then maybe they need to develop some better job skills so they can get better jobs?
    1) There's a limit to the number of those better jobs for them to compete for.

    2) If they were to compete for those jobs, wages for those jobs would be depressed because of the greater number of workers for them.

    3) Some low skilled jobs will always be with us, such as janitors and waitresses but they still require their basic needs to be met.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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