View Poll Results: Should people on welfare and unemployment have to work for the state they draw from?

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Thread: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw from

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Thanks for proving my point "in my field"
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    while i'm not for making unemployment last indefinitely, it is still insurance that we pay for in advance. we're better off if people have some time to find a new job in their field.
    there is no point in having highly skilled workers doing unskilled jobs during a limited period of time. that throws people out of those jobs who aren't trained to do something else. then you pay welfare for them.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    If you have been off more than 6 months you aren't looking that hard to begin with
    Where did you come up with that figure, emotions and a gut feeling? Perhaps its coming from the general theme of superiority we get from around here?

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there is no point in having highly skilled workers doing unskilled jobs during a limited period of time. that throws people out of those jobs who aren't trained to do something else. then you pay welfare for them.
    Who said anything about unskilled? I have worked 4 different careers tied to industry. Each getting me to the next one but none of them in the exact same field. For instance some one familiar with production planning at one plant could possibly be a quality or facility manager at another.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Where did you come up with that figure, emotions and a gut feeling? Perhaps its coming from the general theme of superiority we get from around here?
    Seriously? Who can't find a job in 6 months that pays more than unemployment? Are you really serious?

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Why shouldn't they show up every morning at the state garage and pick up trash, do yard work, janitor work and pay back some of the entitlement they draw?
    The reason why is because people who are on unemployment benefits usually pay into it when they were employed. That is unemployment benefits are a type of insurance that gets paid to the government so when they do get unemployed they can collect on it while they look for work.

    They already earned that money when they were employed. So why should they be forced to work for money that they paid into when they were working?

    As for welfare, there are many people who are employed at low wage jobs who do get welfare benefits. Mostly because the low wage jobs they work at don't pay them enough money to live on. So they are on "workfare".

    So how about instead of making them work even more hours we instead increase the minimum wage employers are required to pay out so they can afford to just barely survive?
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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Well people who are unemployed aren't working because simply they get more money being on employment benefits than working minimum wage, they paid into it they should get it, and for some people it's more money than what they get if they went out and got a lower wage job.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Who said anything about unskilled? I have worked 4 different careers tied to industry. Each getting me to the next one but none of them in the exact same field. For instance some one familiar with production planning at one plant could possibly be a quality or facility manager at another.
    unemployment is already dependent on taking a similar job offer in your field, at least in my state.

    i'm simply saying that it makes no sense to have a highly skilled worker filling a lower tier job in order to collect the insurance that they've already paid for. the system can always benefit from tweaking, though. the insurance isn't intended to last forever, and you shouldn't be able to collect if you won't take a similar job in your field.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    I despise anonymous posts

    but those on welfare should work for the state or better yet for those of us who pay for their existence. 40% of my time working goes to the government. so when I have free time, rather than cutting the grass or polishing my cars or shoveling snow, those who are on the dole ought to be doing that for us net taxpayers

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Seriously? Who can't find a job in 6 months that pays more than unemployment? Are you really serious?
    So you are just assuming that's the case? I mean seriously do you have any data or maybe a personal story, something? I'm just curious where 6 months came from. Why not 8 months? Why not 5 months? Why not 3? What's the different between 3 and 6?

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    Re: Is it unreasonable to ask people or unemployment to work for the state they draw

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The reason why is because people who are on unemployment benefits usually pay into it when they were employed. That is unemployment benefits are a type of insurance that gets paid to the government so when they do get unemployed they can collect on it while they look for work.

    They already earned that money when they were employed. So why should they be forced to work for money that they paid into when they were working?

    As for welfare, there are many people who are employed at low wage jobs who do get welfare benefits. Mostly because the low wage jobs they work at don't pay them enough money to live on. So they are on "workfare".

    So how about instead of making them work even more hours we instead increase the minimum wage employers are required to pay out so they can afford to just barely survive?
    How about we make them work after the first 26 weeks or draw, the unemployment plan was not designed to go for years.

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