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Thread: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    LOL. Ryan's biggest problem is likely to be with the far-end CONSERVATIVES rather than the more moderates.
    Certainly from where you stand politically I can understand how you might have that perspective. Ryan is on the outer edge of conservatism. You passed Ryan on your rush to the reactionary right long, long ago. There's middle ground, there's right of center, there's far right, there's extreme right, there's reality. You are beyond that and to the right.










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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I don't mind paying more taxes. I am not greedy. I am patriotic.
    Show us the last volunatry contribution to reduce the national debt that you made, then I will actually believe you. Everyone was waving the flag, and chanting USA, USA, USA..., but no taxes were raised to "pay for" the huge increase in federal spending/power used in response to 9/11/2001. Patriotism is not wanting ever more federal cost and power, but nice try.
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Show us the last volunatry contribution to reduce the national debt that you made, then I will actually believe you. Everyone was waving the flag, and chanting USA, USA, USA..., but no taxes were raised to "pay for" the huge increase in federal spending/power used in response to 9/11/2001. Patriotism is not wanting ever more federal cost and power, but nice try.
    Nobody gives the government money voluntarily. That would be silly.

    I was talking about taxes.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Nobody gives the government money voluntarily. That would be silly.

    I was talking about taxes.
    Giving taxes to the gov't is patriotic, yet doing so voluntarily is silly? That, my friend, is a very, very lame position; so it must be more patriotic to await the draft than to volunteer for military service too. Hmm...
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Either get back on the subject of Paul Ryan's prospects or get out of my thread.
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Giving taxes to the gov't is patriotic, yet doing so voluntarily is silly? That, my friend, is a very, very lame position; so it must be more patriotic to await the draft than to volunteer for military service too. Hmm...
    Actually, I was drafted but I went RA for three years.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Either get back on the subject of Paul Ryan's prospects or get out of my thread.
    Paul Ryan sucks. How's that.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Yes. The American people wanted this to pass and all those "no" votes that the republicans cast will cost them next election cycle.


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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Ryan has always been a moderate establishment Republican. Not a conservative-libertarian Tea Partier.

    Any well researched Republican should know this. This vote is hardly a deviation from his record.
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    For some reason, I was confusing Paul Ryan with Rand Paul.... Both individuals who I wouldn't help out of a burning car considering their voting records.
    They aren't all that similar.

    What is your problem with them?
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