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Thread: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    LOL. Ryan's biggest problem is likely to be with the far-end CONSERVATIVES rather than the more moderates.
    Who the Hell are they going to run, the corpse of Grover Cleveland?

    There comes a time when you accept that a representative form of government sometimes requires politicians to vote for legislation they are opposed to rhetorically because no ideology actually aligns perfectly with the basic structure of reality. I don't love Paul Ryan - far from it - but you're seriously going to condemn him as a liberal for a single procedural vote?
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    What's wrong with his last name, Tigger?
    His last name related him to a LIBERAL-tarian quack doctor who I wouldn't vote for if he was the last person on earth.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Tigger, Tigger, Tigger, what did he do wrong?
    He voted to increase taxes WITHOUT FORCING SPENDING back into its Constitutional limits.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    His last name related him to a LIBERAL-tarian quack doctor who I wouldn't vote for if he was the last person on earth.
    Uh....

    What in holy Hell are you talking about? 'Paul' is Paul Ryan's first name, and he is of no relation to Ron Paul.
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Who the Hell are they going to run, the corpse of Grover Cleveland?
    Shhh, that was not supposed to get out for a few more years.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It's about time for some taxes to pay for our wars.
    Right, as long as it is not you that is asked to pay more taxes. The hypocracy of the left is amazing. Since this was a spending bill, a big tax reduction for 98+% of the people, why was it "exempted", as is now usual, from any "pay as you go" rules/laws or logic?

    In the name of defict reduction, we voted to increase the defict - to save "the economy", of course, we must borrow and spend rather than tax and spend. If borrowing only $1 trillion per year is good, then is borrowing $2 trillion per year even better?
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Do you ever actually stay on-topic in a thread you're posting in, ttwtt?
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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Who the Hell are they going to run, the corpse of Grover Cleveland?
    Ghenghis Khan. That or Duke William of Normandy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    There comes a time when you accept that a representative form of government sometimes requires politicians to vote for legislation they are opposed to rhetorically because no ideology actually aligns perfectly with the basic structure of reality.
    Even if I was to agree with that concept, which I don't, but for the sake of the discussion, I will agree to..... Raising taxes on the people who actually put something into the system, while increasing spending on those who do nothing but take out of the system sounds like a pretty significant bit of ideology to be ignoring. At least in my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I don't love Paul Ryan - far from it - but you're seriously going to condemn him as a liberal for a single procedural vote?
    Yes, I am seriously going to condemn him for a single vote of any sort.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Right, as long as it is not you that is asked to pay more taxes. The hypocracy of the left is amazing. Since this was a spending bill, a big tax reduction for 98+% of the people, why was it "exempted", as is now usual, from any "pay as you go" rules/laws or logic?

    In the name of defict reduction, we voted to increase the defict - to save "the economy", of course, we must borrow and spend rather than tax and spend. If borrowing only $1 trillion per year is good, then is borrowing $2 trillion per year even better?
    I don't mind paying more taxes. I am not greedy. I am patriotic.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Uh.... What in holy Hell are you talking about? 'Paul' is Paul Ryan's first name, and he is of no relation to Ron Paul.
    For some reason, I was confusing Paul Ryan with Rand Paul.... Both individuals who I wouldn't help out of a burning car considering their voting records.

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    Re: Does Paul Ryan's vote for the fiscal cliff deal hurt his chances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Even if I was to agree with that concept, which I don't, but for the sake of the discussion, I will agree to..... Raising taxes on the people who actually put something into the system, while increasing spending on those who do nothing but take out of the system sounds like a pretty significant bit of ideology to be ignoring. At least in my mind.
    That's a very dumb way of looking at it.

    You've said yourself that you don't think conservatism ought to be about small government, all the time. Some conservatives agree with you. Many prefer social stability, "the trains running on time", to minarchism, and I'd agree that that viewpoint is more authentically conservative. Given a choice between immediate social chaos and a tax hike, a lot of these etatist conservatives would choose the hike.

    Now, Paul Ryan never really billed himself as an authoritarian conservative, but surely he can sell himself as one if push comes to shove.
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