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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Like hell it isn't. Sorry for the language but that really is BS. I committed and got convicted of a non-violent felony 18 years ago. Haven't committed a crime since and yet I still can't get hired at good paying jobs. People take one look at my record which I am required to put on the application and throw it in the trash. Literally. I've seen it happen. So don't tell me that society doesn't permanently punish people.



    I've done my time. Paid my dues. And then some. I've proven that I am no longer a criminally minded. Why can't I have my full rights back?

    Btw, your post here proves that society permanently punishes people. You are not willing to give back a persons rights or give them a chance on the basis that they might commit another crime due to something that happened in the past.

    Now I'm not stupid, I also agree that someone should prove that they are reformed. Which is why I suggest setting aside a certain time frame in which they must prove themselves beyond that of prison. 10 years without committing a crime should be plenty to prove that. It is not so long that it seems hopeless to accomplish and gives an incentive for a person to not commit a crime again. 10 years also will give them time to develop new habits which because of those new habits will help prevent them from committing a crime again. After 10 years their crime should be completely wiped from all databases kept by the government and full rights restored.
    Most applications I've seen where they ask about a criminal past will only ask if you've been convicted of a felony in the last X number of years (5-10 typically) and is not necessarily grounds for disqualification. Now, if you were guilty of some sort of fraud and you tried to apply to a position involving money or something of a sensitive/trust nature, that makes complete sense.

    I've interviewed people for jobs that involve felonies and I didn't automatically chuck the resume. I heard them out. Now, there are some crimes that I imagine you can't ever shed. B&E or most types of theft fall into that category. I'm not saying impossible, but people aren't going to willingly trust their money to people who have proven untrustworthy - and if it's a felony type of theft, it means that it's a large amount.

    If someone committed a rather bad crime, they could get out and work at...oh, let's say McDonalds. Put them on a drawer, which is a money trust job (very small amount, but still....baby steps). If they work there long enough and always get drawers closed out with proper numbers, they can be put in charge of better things.

    The real problem exists when you're being stacked against a pile of resumes with people who have NOT committed felonies. Would you hire someone coming out of high school for an accounting job when someone with a BA in accounting has applied, just because you feel sorry for them or "want to give them a chance"? Nope.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Depends upon the crime. If a person commits a very minor felony with a firearm, this person shouldn't be prohibited from owning something that's often an effective means of self defense. But yeah, there's a limit to that.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingleo702 View Post
    People should have their weapons registered or they're not abiding by the rule of law.
    No.

    “The rule of law” certainly has to include the Constitution, which is the highest law of this land, and which explicitly forbids government from infringing upon the people's right to keep and bear arms.

    If government is requiring people to “register” their arms, or to comply with any other silly restrictions on their right to do so, then government is not obeying the Constitution, and is therefore not abiding by the rule of law.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's just stupid. A projectile weapon has greater range than a melee weapon and thus lowers one's odds of being harmed during combat.
    What's stupid is using a field weapon inside a house. If a home invader or burglar does an Elmer Fudd impression with a crossbow inside my home, I'll have the advantage with a sword or knife since those are easier to use in hallway or near a door. In case you haven't figured it out yet, slick, range isn't as important when fighting inside one's home. Versatility is more important. If given the choice between a single-shot crossbow or a sword, I'll take the sword. However, my preferred weapon is a 12 ga. pump.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    What's stupid is using a field weapon inside a house. If a home invader or burglar does an Elmer Fudd impression with a crossbow inside my home, I'll have the advantage with a sword or knife since those are easier to use in hallway or near a door. In case you haven't figured it out yet, slick, range isn't as important when fighting inside one's home. Versatility is more important. If given the choice between a single-shot crossbow or a sword, I'll take the sword. However, my preferred weapon is a 12 ga. pump.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Most applications I've seen where they ask about a criminal past will only ask if you've been convicted of a felony in the last X number of years (5-10 typically) and is not necessarily grounds for disqualification. Now, if you were guilty of some sort of fraud and you tried to apply to a position involving money or something of a sensitive/trust nature, that makes complete sense.
    Not all applications have X number of years. About half that I have seen don't have X number of years period. And the ones that I have seen that do typically go 7-10 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I've interviewed people for jobs that involve felonies and I didn't automatically chuck the resume. I heard them out. Now, there are some crimes that I imagine you can't ever shed. B&E or most types of theft fall into that category. I'm not saying impossible, but people aren't going to willingly trust their money to people who have proven untrustworthy - and if it's a felony type of theft, it means that it's a large amount.
    A felony amount for theft equals $400-$500 dollars or more. Thats not really that large of an amount. About the cost of a TV. I noticed that again, you admit that people are predisposed to not give someone with a felony record a chance. And yet you are here argueing, or trying to, that society does not permanently punish people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If someone committed a rather bad crime, they could get out and work at...oh, let's say McDonalds. Put them on a drawer, which is a money trust job (very small amount, but still....baby steps). If they work there long enough and always get drawers closed out with proper numbers, they can be put in charge of better things.
    You know as well as I do that most people would not even look at that in that way. Most people will see the record first and that a distant 3rd at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The real problem exists when you're being stacked against a pile of resumes with people who have NOT committed felonies. Would you hire someone coming out of high school for an accounting job when someone with a BA in accounting has applied, just because you feel sorry for them or "want to give them a chance"? Nope.
    And if that person that has a felony record has a BA in accounting? Who are you going to hire? What if the person with the felony had better test scores to get that BA than the one without the felony? You'll still hire the one without the felony and with the lower test scores. Why? Because people think "Once a felon always a felon". That is literally a saying.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?
    I'm kind of late getting into this thread and I haven't bothered to read the pages and pages of posts. (half of them are off-topic anyway, I'd guess)

    But to answer your poll: Yes, they should be forever banned. And to ensure they don't have any opportunity to get around their ban, put a bullet in their brain.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A felony amount for theft equals $400-$500 dollars or more. Thats not really that large of an amount. About the cost of a TV. I noticed that again, you admit that people are predisposed to not give someone with a felony record a chance. And yet you are here argueing, or trying to, that society does not permanently punish people.
    You sure it's that low? I would think in the four digits at least. Anyway, neither here nor there. 500 dollars is still a chunk of money, and one could easily draw the parallel that it was a crime of convenience - meaning that they would've stolen more than that if they could have. After all, stealing several hundred dollars, cosmetically, isn't much different than stealing several thousand dollars, or even tens and hundreds of thousands.

    And I'm stating an example of when the rules change. If you go to a bar and get in a fight defending your girlfriend from goons to the tune of a minor assault, I can't imagine an employer out there that's going to see you as some sort of bad egg.

    And if that person that has a felony record has a BA in accounting? Who are you going to hire? What if the person with the felony had better test scores to get that BA than the one without the felony? You'll still hire the one without the felony and with the lower test scores. Why? Because people think "Once a felon always a felon". That is literally a saying.
    Once again we go back to the example. Accountants usually have to deal with money in some fashion. I, personally, don't handle physical cash all too often, but I'm in charge of bank accounts and lots of stuff done electronically. I could easily rob a business blind from the inside, so they have to do their due diligence to make sure someone in that kind of position is someone they can absolutely trust.

    What I'm implying is that not all felonies are created the same. If you get nicked for assault, domestic violence, something involving a car and injury...hell, maybe even drugs to an extent - it is a whole other ball game than crimes related to theft, fraud, and embezzlement. If an employer wants to give that person another chance, then good for them. However, I surely won't slight them if they don't, because the cost-benefit ratio simply does not work out in their favor.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    How about I cast lightning bolt or cone of cold instead?
    Whatever works best for you!

    I have a compound bow, which is easier and quicker to reload than a crossbow, but for inside a house, I'd rather have a sword if restricted to primitive/non-firearm weapons.

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