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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Long ago, the Chinese invented a self loading, repeating crossbow.
    A semi auto crossbow, if you will.

    Pretty easy to operate too.

    There are also 50lb draw crossbows that would do a good deal of damage to an attacker which you can load and fire in about the same time it would take the average, untrained person to load and fire something like a single action revolver.

    That being said, there's no way I'd ever try to argue that crossbows would be an adequate substitute to firearms for the law-abiding population. Only those who relinquished their right to own a gun by virtue of committing a gun crime would have to seek out suc alternatives for self-defense.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingleo702 View Post
    People should have their weapons registered or they're not abiding by the rule of law.
    So you want to make registering one's weapons a law?
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you want to make registering one's weapons a law?
    Some States have registration laws where you have to register your weapon or it's a crime. I would like that to extend to every State. And yes, I would love to make having an unregistered weapon a crime and make stricter laws to obtain one. While having stricter punishment for criminals who use weapons during a crime with a mandatory sentence of 20 years.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    There are also 50lb draw crossbows that would do a good deal of damage to an attacker which you can load and fire in about the same time it would take the average, untrained person to load and fire something like a single action revolver.

    That being said, there's no way I'd ever try to argue that crossbows would be an adequate substitute to firearms for the law-abiding population. Only those who relinquished their right to own a gun by virtue of committing a gun crime would have to seek out suc alternatives for self-defense.
    Totally agree.
    I figure though, that if you adapted one of those crossbows with modern materials, it would be pretty deadly.
    The main downside to a crossbow, is having to have it restrung, probably yearly.

    I've seen what a faulty limb on a regular bow does to people, the string would cause a deep laceration.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why though is the recidivism rates so high? Is it just because they're bad people? Or is it because society is designed around permanent punishment of mistakes and continueally degrades that person combined with a penal system that doesn't even try to rehabilitate?
    I think they're just bad people. The whole "permanent punishment" thing isn't true. Would I prevent you from ever carrying a gun again if you previously used one to commit a violent felony? Yup. Do I feel it justified that you may not be able to go out and get any job you want? Yup. As far as I'm concerned, the heavy and the onus is on you. You have to earn your rights back, your privileges back, your freedoms back. You need to show society, at an inclining rate, that you can be trusted with what Americans take for granted on a daily basis. It's better than serving some arbitrary prison sentence that will do no good and then cross your fingers that they're not violent idiots upon release.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    The "prevailing wisdom" is that once a criminal, always a criminal..
    Of course, this is not always true.....
    These words and phrases need definitions...
    IMO, the betrayal of trust is not necessarily a crime..... there has to be "more".
    Prevailing wisdom .....nearly an oxymoron, there is not nearly enough of this...
    The pursuit of happiness, the welfare of society is , or should be number one..
    Difficult for this to be with the half-mad neighbor owning assault weapons...
    Even a "regular/normal neighbor" AND with a prison record, owning guns....this makes me a bit nervous.
    IMO, its better that they, including me, do not owns guns..

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think they're just bad people.
    I question the existance of "bad people"
    The whole "permanent punishment" thing isn't true. In your opinion, I believe it is all too true
    Would I prevent you from ever carrying a gun again if you previously used one to commit a violent felony? Yup. Do I feel it justified that you may not be able to go out and get any job you want? Yup. And here we have the man being forever condemmed
    As far as I'm concerned, the heavy and the onus is on you. You have to earn your rights back, your privileges back, your freedoms back. You need to show society, at an inclining rate, that you can be trusted with what Americans take for granted on a daily basis. It's better than serving some arbitrary prison sentence that will do no good and then cross your fingers that they're not violent idiots upon release.And this , to a degree I agree with..
    I am against the idea, the concept of lethal protection...for nearly anyone.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I am against the idea, the concept of lethal protection...for nearly anyone.
    So what sort of protection do you advocate? A stick? A whistle? A cell phone with 911 on speed-dial?

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Sticks weren't designed.
    Ahh, but they were - intelligently! For home defense.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I think they're just bad people. The whole "permanent punishment" thing isn't true.
    Like hell it isn't. Sorry for the language but that really is BS. I committed and got convicted of a non-violent felony 18 years ago. Haven't committed a crime since and yet I still can't get hired at good paying jobs. People take one look at my record which I am required to put on the application and throw it in the trash. Literally. I've seen it happen. So don't tell me that society doesn't permanently punish people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Would I prevent you from ever carrying a gun again if you previously used one to commit a violent felony? Yup. Do I feel it justified that you may not be able to go out and get any job you want? Yup. As far as I'm concerned, the heavy and the onus is on you. You have to earn your rights back, your privileges back, your freedoms back. You need to show society, at an inclining rate, that you can be trusted with what Americans take for granted on a daily basis. It's better than serving some arbitrary prison sentence that will do no good and then cross your fingers that they're not violent idiots upon release.
    I've done my time. Paid my dues. And then some. I've proven that I am no longer a criminally minded. Why can't I have my full rights back?

    Btw, your post here proves that society permanently punishes people. You are not willing to give back a persons rights or give them a chance on the basis that they might commit another crime due to something that happened in the past.

    Now I'm not stupid, I also agree that someone should prove that they are reformed. Which is why I suggest setting aside a certain time frame in which they must prove themselves beyond that of prison. 10 years without committing a crime should be plenty to prove that. It is not so long that it seems hopeless to accomplish and gives an incentive for a person to not commit a crime again. 10 years also will give them time to develop new habits which because of those new habits will help prevent them from committing a crime again. After 10 years their crime should be completely wiped from all databases kept by the government and full rights restored.
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