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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    A Katana would be better than a crossbow too, but would take a bit more skill to wield in a closed space such as a home.
    That's just stupid. A projectile weapon has greater range than a melee weapon and thus lowers one's odds of being harmed during combat.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You will be shot in the head 10 times out 10 before you get a shot off.
    And you'll be shot in the head 9 times out of 10 before you get a shot off with your AR-15, ergo it's only slightly better.

    Lets try a little game. I will load my AR-15 and you load your crossbow. Lets see who gets shot the most times. Want to play? No, because you and I know you would get shot every time we play the game.
    We're not talking about stupid games under improbable circumstances, we're talking about home defense. Big difference. And some crossbows can be loaded faster by a trained person than a revolver can be loaded by an amateur. Training is always key.

    And you'll note, I've never said they were identical. That's just something that people incapable of understanding my argument because of paranoid delusions about this being a second amendment/gun control issue have made up in their heads to justify their paranoia.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You've never actually used a crossbow, have you? I have. It's a powerful weapon, but very slow to operate, making it nearly useless as a defensive weapon. It's difficult to imagine a defensive situation, in which the use of deadly force would be justified, in which an attacker wouldn't easily kill me long before I could get a shot off with my crossbow.
    Long ago, the Chinese invented a self loading, repeating crossbow.
    A semi auto crossbow, if you will.

    Pretty easy to operate too.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This might be the dumbest anti gun rights argument I ever encounter.
    It isn't an anti-gun rights argument, silly. It's an anti-criminal rights argument. It's been very specific, and if you geniuses thought about it for one minute, instead of chasing your own paranoid delusions about it, you'd see three things:

    1. It's actually a call for less restrictions than what currently exists on felons because it is limited to felons charged with gun crimes.

    2. It does in any way restrict law-abiding citizens

    3. By arguing that we should allow gun-wielding criminals to continue to legally wield guns with no regard for recidivism, you do more to guarantee that universal gun restrictions that inhibit peaceful, law-abiding citizens from owning certain classes of firearms weapons will be put in place.


    My argument is actually a call for fewer gun restrictions than exist today (but y'all never thought about that because that would require thinking about what is being said before reacting to it instead of reacting in lieu of thinking.) My argument is entirely limited to criminals who commit crimes with guns, a.k.a the group of people that law-abiding gun owners should despise most (far more than the gun grabbers and slightly more than law-abiding, but irresponsible, gun owners), as they are the primary causal factor on the majority of anti-gun legislation (the only other primary causal factor for anti-gun legislation is law-abiding, but irresponsible gun owners). While y'all have decided to pretend that I am arguing against gun rights, you've consistently done more to harm a pro-gun rights position than my argument -which is not even about gun rights, but is instead about criminal sentencing- ever could have.

    To me, any argument that will be guaranteed to achieve the exact opposite of it's desired goal is a phenomenally retarded one, and everyone arguing against my sentencing argument has certainly done exactly that.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'd agree with this if crime recidivism rates weren't what they were, or even if prison was a valuable tool of "rehabilitation".
    Why though is the recidivism rates so high? Is it just because they're bad people? Or is it because society is designed around permanent punishment of mistakes and continueally degrades that person combined with a penal system that doesn't even try to rehabilitate?
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It's difficult to imagine a defensive situation, in which the use of deadly force would be justified, in which an attacker wouldn't easily kill me long before I could get a shot off with my crossbow.
    First, there are many different kinds of crossbows. A personal defense crossbow (say a 50lb pistol crossbow) is not very difficult to operate, typically. Second, you either do not have a very good imagination or you do not have a very good understanding of the different types of crossbows available if you do not think it can work for personal defense.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    I guarantee if you give a mandatory of 20 years in prison for having an unregistered weapon, criminals would think twice about using guns while committing a crime.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingleo702 View Post
    I guarantee if you give a mandatory of 20 years in prison for having an unregistered weapon...
    That would affect otherwise law abiding citizens as much or more than it would affect criminals who use guns to commit crimes.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?
    it depends on the crime they committed with the gun.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    People should have their weapons registered or they're not abiding by the rule of law.
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