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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    No...they should be forever imprisoned.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Anyone who has committed a violent offense should be banned form owning a gun.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's already the case for the most part, since most gun-crimes are felonies and felons are prohibited from owning firearms.
    You can get a felony for popping a wheelie on a motorcycle or driving over a hundred miles an hour.

    But stripping gun rights from violent offenders, especially gun crimes, at least is a direct cause effect relationship.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?
    As stated, the proposition is far too open to abuse.

    If I were to walk out my door carrying a loaded gun, I'd be committing a “crime”. Never mind that the Constitution explicitly affirms that I have a right to keep and bear arms; I live in a state that utterly refuses to obey the Constitution, and would treat me as a criminal for exercising this basic Constitutional right.

    So, if I commit this “crime” with a gun, do I deserve to be denied this Constitutional right for the rest of my life? I suppose it's rather moot, since the state—as a matter of routine policy—already openly violates the Constitution by denying me this right in the first place.

    Now, if someone uses a gun to commit murder or attempted murder, then that person should either be put to death, or else spend the rest of his life in prison without any chance of parole. No need to have any separate law to deny someone convicted of such a crime the right to keep and bear arms, since being dead or in prison, he wouldn't be able to exercise that right anyway.

    The same is exactly true if he committed murder or attempted murder, without using a gun.

    So really, the only circumstance under which I would acknowledge the legitimacy of permanently denying someone his Second Amendment rights is a circumstance under which the Second Amendment is irrelevant anyway.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...they should be forever imprisoned.
    Make the punishment hard as smashing your right testicle between two cinder blocks and it will make the perp think twice. Life in prison if not a deterrent will remove a criminal willing to use a gun off the streets.
    We have too many fatalities by guns in this country.
    If you can't do the time , don't do the crime. Easy as that.

    Don't want to divert thread but would also give prison time for drunk driving but that is another subject.

    To make room in the prisons remove the drug offenders from prison. That would empty a lot of beds.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Nope.Once someone serves their sentence they should have all their rights reinstated. If they can't be trusted to have their rights then they should be let out out in the first place.

    Besides that the weapon used should be irrelevant to your punishment.Being killed with a gun does not make you any less or more dead than someone killed with a knife,pencil, or some other tool.
    I agree, but I would add this:

    Absent significant mitigating circumstances, I do not consider murder to be a crime for which anyone can ever “pay their debt to society”; and I think that all convicted murderers should be permanently removed from free society, either by putting them to death, or by keeping them in prison for life with no possibility of parole or other release. And, as I previously mentioned, doing so renders moot any question of the right of such criminals to possess a firearm.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    As stated, the proposition is far too open to abuse.

    If I were to walk out my door carrying a loaded gun, I'd be committing a “crime”. Never mind that the Constitution explicitly affirms that I have a right to keep and bear arms; I live in a state that utterly refuses to obey the Constitution, and would treat me as a criminal for exercising this basic Constitutional right.

    So, if I commit this “crime” with a gun, do I deserve to be denied this Constitutional right for the rest of my life? I suppose it's rather moot, since the state—as a matter of routine policy—already openly violates the Constitution by denying me this right in the first place.

    Now, if someone uses a gun to commit murder or attempted murder, then that person should either be put to death, or else spend the rest of his life in prison without any chance of parole. No need to have any separate law to deny someone convicted of such a crime the right to keep and bear arms, since being dead or in prison, he wouldn't be able to exercise that right anyway.

    The same is exactly true if he committed murder or attempted murder, without using a gun.

    So really, the only circumstance under which I would acknowledge the legitimacy of permanently denying someone his Second Amendment rights is a circumstance under which the Second Amendment is irrelevant anyway.
    I mean violent or terrorizing crime like using a gun to rob a liquor store or shooting someone not in self defense or defense of your home or defense of others. I don't mean forgetting to renew your carry permit or hunting out of season.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I mean violent or terrorizing crime like using a gun to rob a liquor store or shooting someone not in self defense or defense of your home or defense of others.
    Why should these crimes be treated different if someone used a knife or some other weapon to rob a liquor store or stabbed someone not in self defense or defense of your home or defense of others? Armed robbery is still armed robber and assault with a weapon is still assault with a weapon.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I mean violent or terrorizing crime like using a gun to rob a liquor store or shooting someone not in self defense or defense of your home or defense of others. I don't mean forgetting to renew your carry permit or hunting out of season.
    You should have included that in the original question. As you stated it, it would have to apply to any “crime” involving a gun; which would even include carrying a weapon without a permit (never mind that the Constitution explicitly affirms this as a right, and does not allow any level of government the authority to require such a permit) or possessing an outlawed “assault weapon” (again, never mind that the Constitution does not allow government the authority to define anything as an “assault weapon” and on that basis to prohibit its possession).

    As originally stated, your question amounts to asking whether government should be allowed to deny you a right for life, for the “crime” of exercising that right.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Except for that suddenly enraged individual who catches a spouse cheating.
    We don't have mind crimes, sorry.
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