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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm describing the action taken by the government no matter the law violation or punishment. What the government does is take away the rights of those they punish no matter if they violated someone else's rights or not.
    People commit crimes by choice, ergo they choose to receive their consequences.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    From what I have seen from you today and yesterday your ideas are what has lead to oppression.
    How much of what you've seen can also be considered something which you have understood, though?
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I do not believe that such rules should be enacted retroactively because doing so would prevent it from being said person's choice. A person must know (or at least have the potential to know) the complete consequences of their choices prior to making the choice. Thus, I wouldn't have any opinions about any individuals who committed a crime prior to any such consequences being in place.
    I'll be happy to wait for the court decision depriving an American citizen of their Constitutional rights once they've completed their sentence.

    Depriving a person of their rights forever is like making every crime a death penalty case. If so, then the criminal would have no problem murdering all the witnesses since the penalty for robbing a 7-11 is the same as murdering a police officer. They need to have hope of becoming full citizens again.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    People commit crimes by choice, ergo they choose to receive their consequences.
    That has nothing at all to do with my point. The fact is law doesn't work in accordance with rights and its not designed for such a function. It is designed to carry out the will of the government against its people be those people in violation of a fellow citizens rights or just another jaywalker.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How much of what you've seen can also be considered something which you have understood, though?
    I think I understand your basic premise. If I'm endangering you than I need to be punished for it.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Unless it is a gun related felony I don't think there should be any restriction whatsoever even considered. I don't think because someone who violated a Department of Agriculture reporting rule on fertilizers then that the person now is deprived the right of self defense or to defend his/her family. Gun ownership is a right, not a granted privilege.

    Innocent people plea out all the time since they'll do more time waiting for trial if they don't. They NEVER explain the consequences other than jail time and probation time. They do not declare they essentially also lose all citizen's basic rights too.

    But, then, I think felons should be able to vote - even when in prison. A person should be able to vote against a judge they believe unfairly sent them to prison or a DA who played games or against an elected lazy-ass public defender.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    I'll be happy to wait for the court decision depriving an American citizen of their Constitutional rights once they've completed their sentence.
    If the loss of constitutional rights is part of their sentence, then they haven't completed their sentence. It's one of those mutually exclusive thing. It shouldn't be this difficult to comperhend.

    Depriving a person of their rights forever is like making every crime a death penalty case. If so, then the criminal would have no problem murdering all the witnesses since the penalty for robbing a 7-11 is the same as murdering a police officer. They need to have hope of becoming full citizens again.
    Hyperbole is not an adequate substitute for a reasoned, logical response.

    Hint 1: Nobody has said that ALL rights should be restricted

    Hint 2: Going to jail and not being allowed to own guns for the rest of your life is not the same as death, even to the most overlydramatic 13 year old girl.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is designed to carry out the will of the government against its people ...
    False. Our government is designed to carry out the will of the people. It is the will of the people that those who commit crimes receive consequences for their anti-social behavior.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Once the idea of depriving an American citizen of one of their Constitutional rights catches on, how long before voters choose to alter the Constitution even more by depriving former criminals of all their rights. We should be careful what we ask for.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think I understand your basic premise.
    You clearly do not understand my basic premise, as you have many false premises which you believe which prevent you from achieving understanding of my premises.

    My basic premise is that people are responsibile for their own actions. Your basic premise is that everyone is a victim of the government. The false latter premise prevents you from comprehending the true former one.
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