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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'd agree with this if crime recidivism rates weren't what they were, or even if prison was a valuable tool of "rehabilitation".

    You give a gun to a guy that just got of jail on a gun felony, and you know 3 things:

    1) He's seriously pissed off.
    2) Mentally speaking, he's no better off now than he was when he got in.
    3) He has documented history of firearm misuse.

    I understand the concept of rights and not wanting to infringe upon them, but you would do the public a major disservice to allow for this.
    If someone can not be trusted with his full rights then he shouldn't be released in the first place.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    That is why they are tried differently, and they should be tried to the fullest extent of the youth justice system. I thought youth justice system was implied. There is a reason it exists.
    No. You said "why are minors outside the law?" You said nothing about implying anything.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    If its a violent crime. Yes.


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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Why are minors outside of the law? Children are not innocent and are just as capable as adults to commit crimes.
    They're not "outside" the law, but they are certainly treated differently as they are children and not adults.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    If it is a violent felony with no mitigating circumstances whatsoever, probably yes.

    But in Goshinland, such a person would be mighty lucky to EVER get out of prison in the first place...

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    If someone can not be trusted with his full rights then he shouldn't be released in the first place.
    That's a legitimate argument. The problem exists because we have a justice system that sentences criminals to serve time in prison, but is not designed to bring any positives to any variable in the equation. All I would want to do is take away the temptation. You may not want to leave an apple pie unattended with a fat kid, but you can't bar him from the kitchen for life because there's a chance that he could eat a forbidden pie sometime in his life.

    Maybe an option would be to ban a criminal that's released from prison for a gun-related felony access to a gun for a certain period of time. Make the sentence progressive, essentially two-tiered. I think that structured life out of prison with certain limitations would be a better method of rehabilitation than anything the corrections system could offer.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. You said "why are minors outside the law?" You said nothing about implying anything.
    Sorry I thought people would assume to the fullest extent of youth law.

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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
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    if its say

    Poaching a deer with a rifle

    carrying without a license but with no intent to use the gun against someone criminally

    refusal to register a weapon in states with socialist gun laws


    smoking weed while possessing a gun
    All of those are great examples of irresponsible gun ownership and I'm absolutely OK with those people being prohibited from owning firearms. as far as I'm concerned, anyone who demonstrates such irresponsibility relinquishes their rights to own a weapon because their irresponsibility causes their right to own a weapon to infringe on everyone elses[sic] right not to have an idiot with a weapon nearby.
    So, really, you are taking the position that merely exercising a right is proof that one is irresponsible, and an idiot, and has proven that he should not be allowed that right. What, then, is the point of recognizing something as a right, if you're going to subject the reasonable exercise of that right to such a ridiculous Catch–22 excuse to deny it?
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So, really, you are taking the position that merely exercising a right is proof that one is irresponsible, and an idiot, and has proven that he should not be allowed that right.
    Of course not. Those examples are not examples of someone "merely exercising their right". They are examples of people knowingly violating the laws associated with that right for selfish reasons, rather than rational ones. That's why it's irresponsible. People need to have more personal responsibility and stop playing the victim. They make a decision to violate the laws, they need to slap on a pair of balls and accept the consequences for it, not play the victim.
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    Re: Should someone who commits a crime with a gun be forever banned from owning one?

    Yes but I bet the gunnies wont see it that way
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