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Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

Is it unreasonable to pay a little more?

  • Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!

    Votes: 21 27.6%

  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

    Votes: 48 63.2%

  • I'm not sure.

    Votes: 7 9.2%
  • Total voters
    76
TurtleDude said:
OK so you believe its permissible for the government to forcibly redistribute income to those unable or (usually) unwilling to take care of themselves. that is not a libertarian, that is a welfare socialist
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History is full of poor people. And full of assholes blaming the poor. I already linked for who the moochers were. Still waiting for you to address it.
 
TurtleDude said:
OK so you believe its permissible for the government to forcibly redistribute income to those unable or (usually) unwilling to take care of themselves. that is not a libertarian, that is a welfare socialist
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and we have a winner
 
iguanaman said:
The funny thing is that more progressive taxes are good for all of us. The rich don't miss the money and when it gets spent by the Govt. it increases growth and GDP. A strong growing economy is good for all income levels. Once the balance is corrected we can look forward to a new growth period when wages go up for all and not just the few at the top. Isn't that what everyone should want?
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the rich don't miss the money?..what the hell?

what universe do you call home?
 
Boo Radley said:
History is full of poor people. And full of assholes blaming the poor. I already linked for who the moochers were. Still waiting for you to address it.
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the real assholes are those who pretend to care about the poor in order to gain wealth and power by pandering to them. like half the dems in office
 
Thrilla said:
the rich don't miss the money?..what the hell?

what universe do you call home?
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many lefties extrapolate their own environment onto the rich. For example, if they have expenses of 50K a year and make 51K they think if they made 200K the would have 149K to spend on other stuff

they never understand that many "rich people are often spending 145K and have not much more left over than the lefties. I remember a couple years ago noting many "wealthy" people I know have heavy tuition bills and a 20-40K tax bill would mean pulling one or more kid out of private colleges and one of the parasites said that was "fair" since the parasite could not afford to send his kid to say Brown or Amherst
 
TurtleDude said:
the real assholes are those who pretend to care about the poor in order to gain wealth and power by pandering to them. like half the dems in office
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Well, pandering is common in Washington with both parties. However, the poor really don't have a lobbying group, and aren't really a strong voting block. Mostly it's just one more way some try to excuse they're losing.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, pandering is common in Washington with both parties. However, the poor really don't have a lobbying group, and aren't really a strong voting block. Mostly it's just one more way some try to excuse they're losing.
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they are pawns the dems use to justify more power
 
TurtleDude said:
the real assholes are those who pretend to care about the poor in order to gain wealth and power by pandering to them. like half the dems in office
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The real assholes are those that don't acknowledge that as the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. That is what has been happening since the year 2000, and they want even more as the posters here make obvious as they attempt to demonize the poor. That'd be the poor. Lots of them ain't working.
 
Boo Radley said:
Your just making excuses. Dems don't o that much more for the poor than republicans.
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so you are saying that the dems don't use the poor to justify income redistribution, higher taxes etc
 
DaveFagan said:
The real assholes are those that don't acknowledge that as the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. That is what has been happening since the year 2000, and they want even more as the posters here make obvious as they attempt to demonize the poor. That'd be the poor. Lots of them ain't working.
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why do the poor get poorer? too much sloth? too much sucking on the public tit. No one really demonizes those who are poor because they cannot help it. we demonize people who are poor because they do stupid stuff like get knocked up in HS, drop out of HS, do drugs or get felony records.

and we demonize greedy power hunger assholes in office who pretend they care for the poor in order to justify more government (that they use to get wealthy off of)
 
TurtleDude said:
so you are saying that the dems don't use the poor to justify income redistribution, higher taxes etc
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Most of the wealth distribution is to the wealthy. As noted, the wealthy pay less taxes today than in the past. Laws have been passed that help employers defeat unions, stagnate workers wages, while growing the divide between rich and poor. So, yeah, your whining is largely misplaced and more excuse making than anything else. The difference between the party are minor, and the changes had Romney won would have been minor.
 
OscarB63 said:
very poor understanding of the concepts there, brother. when the founders wrote about the right to life, I'm pretty sure they didn't mean that the government should provide everyone with food and shelter.
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If you create a system in which people die of hunger, the social darwnism TD referred to, you may wonder how succesful you'll be minimizing coercion and promoting voluntary association. If that's libertarianism, I'd rather be a socialist.
 
Thrilla said:
the rich don't miss the money?..what the hell?

what universe do you call home?
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TurtleDude said:
why do the poor get poorer? too much sloth? too much sucking on the public tit. No one really demonizes those who are poor because they cannot help it. we demonize people who are poor because they do stupid stuff like get knocked up in HS, drop out of HS, do drugs or get felony records.

and we demonize greedy power hunger assholes in office who pretend they care for the poor in order to justify more government (that they use to get wealthy off of)
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lol Can you be more cliché?
 
Evenstar said:
lol Can you be more cliché?
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when IN rome.

and lots of poor people have only themselves to blame

and blaming the rich for poor people being poor is like blaming fit athletes for fat people (whether their obesity is due to medical conditions or eating like hogs)
 
TurtleDude said:
when IN rome.

and lots of poor people have only themselves to blame

and blaming the rich for poor people being poor is like blaming fit athletes for fat people (whether their obesity is due to medical conditions or eating like hogs)
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ok but at least you'd have to admit that some people are in poverty due to lay offs. While a large percentage are lazy, and are poor due to their own dumb decisions, an increasing number of people are losing ground due to economic conditions beyond their control. just sayin..
 
Evenstar said:
ok but at least you'd have to admit that some people are in poverty due to lay offs. While a large percentage are lazy, and are poor due to their own dumb decisions, an increasing number of people are losing ground due to economic conditions beyond their control. just sayin..
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I support charity for those in bad straights due to no fault of their own

what pisses me off are that some power hungry people support keeping people poor and dependent
 
TurtleDude said:
I support charity for those in bad straights due to no fault of their own

what pisses me off are that some power hungry people support keeping people poor and dependent
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Good. You see that. There are those in government who want people dependent, and have set up the current system to that end.
 
Yes, as is thei current rate of taxation.
 
Evenstar said:
Good. You see that. There are those in government who want people dependent, and have set up the current system to that end.
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That is absolute bs.
 
Boo Radley said:
That is absolute bs.
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that you dispute what she says is further proof she is correct. For you to claim that not a single person in government wants people to be dependent on the government is a plain and shining lie
 
TurtleDude said:
that you dispute what she says is further proof she is correct. For you to claim that not a single person in government wants people to be dependent on the government is a plain and shining lie
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Only someone wanting to divert the issue suggest finding one single person makes the argument worthy. There has to be enough to make it a valid concern not to be bs.
 
TurtleDude said:
why do the poor get poorer? too much sloth? too much sucking on the public tit. No one really demonizes those who are poor because they cannot help it. we demonize people who are poor because they do stupid stuff like get knocked up in HS, drop out of HS, do drugs or get felony records.

and we demonize greedy power hunger assholes in office who pretend they care for the poor in order to justify more government (that they use to get wealthy off of)
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We need jobs lots of them. We have an economy now where the money flow is going to the top and to foreign countries and there is not much of it fueling our economy. People who don't have it to invest are going to find living hard. The cost of all life essential needs continues to rise while wages fall.At this point I don't really see an answer. It takes two people working at minimum wage to earn what one person needs to make just to survive.

This has been coming since Nixon and Kissinger negotiated a trade deal with China, lets be realistic you can not flood the work force with another 3.5 billion plus workers and think it won't have a dramatic effect on wages and living standards. Taxes alone are not the answer we need jobs decent paying jobs.
 
Boo Radley said:
Only someone wanting to divert the issue suggest finding one single person makes the argument worthy. There has to be enough to make it a valid concern not to be bs.
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Find me a single historical example of a government that doesn't end up tyrannical before its collapse. They all end the same way as far as I know. The only inevitable fact when dealing with government is that it always gets bigger and more corrupt. Special interests.
 
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