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Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

Is it unreasonable to pay a little more?

  • Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!

    Votes: 21 27.6%
  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

    Votes: 48 63.2%
  • I'm not sure.

    Votes: 7 9.2%

  • Total voters
    76
No they do not and thats the point.

Uhhh yes they do. Some dont pay FIT but everyone pays some sort of tax. A problem is that we also need to simple up our tax code and get rid of a bunch of loopholes.
 
I mean i guess on the premise of taxation that would how it would be in a perfect world.

the question then becomes...how much does someone really "need"? i would be much more generous towards "the poor" if I didn't routinely see people driving up to walmart in a shiny new car, wearing designer clothes and jewelry, talking on a smart phone and then pay for their groceries with food stamps. the govt robs from the rich to pay for food and shelter for the poor so the poor can spend their paycheck on wants instead of needs.
 
Uhhh yes they do. Some dont pay FIT but everyone pays some sort of tax. A problem is that we also need to simple up our tax code and get rid of a bunch of loopholes.


The only taxes i pay are sales taxes. I pay no federal taxes other than on stuff like gas. And if you pay $500 and receive $5000 back are you really paying anything? On top of that you get back more in general from your FICA taxes than you put in.
 


This whole "fiscal cliff" thing, IMO, is really about one thing. GREED. The same people who are pushing to raise the debt ceiling are the same ones who don't want to pay a little more, and being such an elite small sliver, are probably the same ones who have been benefitting from these overexpenditures. If you are one of the small sliver of wealthiest at the top, you make obscene amounts of money. You live vastly beyond comfortably, and anything you want, you can easily afford ten thousandfold. So what's REALLY going on?

Greed?

Wow - pot meet kettle. . . I look at our piss poor government's version of budgeting and spending to be nested in Greed.

People don't want to sacrifice - so they're just going to haggle more and more . . . at what point is enough enough? At what point is it ok for us to demand our government begin to spend our tax money wisely and not continue to glutton itself on our hard work and profits?

I draw the line at anything more or new - they earn plenty. If they really want to earn my support on anything tax-hike in the future they need to prove they value their current revenue and aren't looking the tax horse in the mouth.
 
I think the point was that some get more than they pay in.

and those are the very ones that complain the other guy isn't paying enough
 
I have seen no scans of paperwork showing such things, so no, you haven't produced anything but a load of BS.

I can only assume if you don't know anything when you go to bed, ya' ain't likely to know anything when ya' wakes up. I don't recollect who it was said that. Now speakin' at the empty chair, I bought my property when I was making money and I'm now retired. My property taxes, just by themselves area a little over 20% of my income. I spend $2500/yr. on gasoline, $2500/yr on utilities (gas and electric), $300/yr. on car registrations, $400/yr on inspections and the bullsheet repairs to get through those inspections, sales tax on everything and you can tell the empty chair representing the vapid sentient entity to do the math and then apologize and admit that ones cerebellum was deeply impacted when the rash and hubris statement was spewed. Proportionately, as I stated, I and many others in my income bracket, pay 30% to taxes.
 
I can only assume if you don't know anything when you go to bed, ya' ain't likely to know anything when ya' wakes up. I don't recollect who it was said that. Now speakin' at the empty chair, I bought my property when I was making money and I'm now retired. My property taxes, just by themselves area a little over 20% of my income. I spend $2500/yr. on gasoline, $2500/yr on utilities (gas and electric), $300/yr. on car registrations, $400/yr on inspections and the bullsheet repairs to get through those inspections, sales tax on everything and you can tell the empty chair representing the vapid sentient entity to do the math and then apologize and admit that ones cerebellum was deeply impacted when the rash and hubris statement was spewed. Proportionately, as I stated, I and many others in my income bracket, pay 30% to taxes.

boo dee freakin hoo. if you don't like paying taxes, sell your property and cut your annual tax bill by 2/3rds
 
boo dee freakin hoo. if you don't like paying taxes, sell your property and cut your annual tax bill by 2/3rds


I'm not crying or whining. It's the wealthy that are crying and whining. Is that you? Just pay your proportionate percentage and be done with it. If you need to cry and whine some more, buy a towel. Perhaps it's deductible. "Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!" Do that ring a bell with y'all?
 
I'm not crying or whining. It's the wealthy that are crying and whining. Is that you? Just pay your proportionate percentage and be done with it. If you need to cry and whine some more, buy a towel. Perhaps it's deductible. "Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!" Do that ring a bell with y'all?

seems you've made several posts whining and crying that the rich don't pay enough taxes. keep the towel for yourself...you are the one who needs it.
 
i have a desire for other peoples money by wanting to raise taxes on the rich? Interesting premise..

if people want something and are unwilling to pay for it but instead demand others pay more taxes I don't find their attitude to be any different than that off a thief. they are merely outsourcing thievery and of course, outsourcing something one can do for themselves is the Sine qua non of the leftwing mindset
 
if people want something and are unwilling to pay for it but instead demand others pay more taxes I don't find their attitude to be any different than that off a thief. they are merely outsourcing thievery and of course, outsourcing something one can do for themselves is the Sine qua non of the leftwing mindset

Yes, if people want police, they should be Illinois to pay for it. If people want firefighters, they should be willing to pay for it. If people want healthcare, they should be willing to Pay for it. So, what are you going on about?
 
like I keep saying. it always seems to be those paying the least that complain someone else is not paying enough. :shrug:

for sure, people paying an effective rate of 5-9% whine that its unfair that investors are paying an effective rate of 15% in investment income which is less than those with earned income of 350K pay. Guess what-people with salaries or 300K or more ARE NOT WHINING ABOUT the lower rates on investment income because any smart high salaried person is investing some of his earned income. Rather its those who don't have the discipline or the ability to invest whining that the rich aren't getting screwed over enough
 
I'm not crying or whining. It's the wealthy that are crying and whining. Is that you? Just pay your proportionate percentage and be done with it. If you need to cry and whine some more, buy a towel. Perhaps it's deductible. "Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!" Do that ring a bell with y'all?

the rich pay as much taxes as you do on non progressive taxes and far more than you do on progressive taxes.

tell me Dave why is it wrong if everyone pays the exact same tax bill since we all get essentially the same services

I don't pay more for a Double Cheeseburger than you do, and I don't pay more for a ticket to see the Hobbit than you do
 
Yes, if people want police, they should be Illinois to pay for it. If people want firefighters, they should be willing to pay for it. If people want healthcare, they should be willing to Pay for it. So, what are you going on about?

As usual your oblique attack on what I am saying makes no sense. I tire of those who don't pay any income taxes whining that the rich need to "pay their fair share"

objectively the term fair share is silly but the closest thing to defining "fair share" is to divide federal spending by the number of citizens and whatever that number is is a fair share of taxation. guess who is getting ripped off?

and the current definition the Liar in chief uses is based purely on whoring for votes
 
As usual your oblique attack on what I am saying makes no sense. I tire of those who don't pay any income taxes whining that the rich need to "pay their fair share"

objectively the term fair share is silly but the closest thing to defining "fair share" is to divide federal spending by the number of citizens and whatever that number is is a fair share of taxation. guess who is getting ripped off?

and the current definition the Liar in chief uses is based purely on whoring for votes

I listed a very specific group that tax payer dollars should pay for. You're vague. Make references to people getting things, which is unclear to me. And remember, the problem is not people quitting the work place, but the stagnation of employee wages, evading to more and more people below the line of paying taxes. The rising tide for the wealthy only raised the yachts, and not all boats. So, it is your vague inaccurate insult to what amounts to workers I take exception to.
 
the rich pay as much taxes as you do on non progressive taxes and far more than you do on progressive taxes.

tell me Dave why is it wrong if everyone pays the exact same tax bill since we all get essentially the same services

I don't pay more for a Double Cheeseburger than you do, and I don't pay more for a ticket to see the Hobbit than you do

The wealthy need more things protected by the military. They need more protection at the banks. They invest in paper and seldom do actual job creation, but need their investment protected and babysat by some gov't agency. They need their big industries protected by laws and gov't subsidy. Just a few examples. It's a Corporate owned gov't. Of the Corporation, By the corporation, For the corporation.
 
The wealthy need more things protected by the military. They need more protection at the banks. They invest in paper and seldom do actual job creation, but need their investment protected and babysat by some gov't agency. They need their big industries protected by laws and gov't subsidy. Just a few examples. It's a Corporate owned gov't. Of the Corporation, By the corporation, For the corporation.

that's silly, the military's costs are not increased by the amount of some rich guy's property

try again
 
seems you've made several posts whining and crying that the rich don't pay enough taxes. keep the towel for yourself...you are the one who needs it.

I said that they pay PROPORTIONATELY less than lots of persons with lower income. Does the word have too many syllables for you? It is an exact word being misread by an inexact mind, or what? I think everyone should pay PROPORTIONATELY the same. If you own more, then it stands to reason those owned items will require more gov't service/s. That would be more gov't "bennies" to those that deserve them the least.
 
that's silly, the military's costs are not increased by the amount of some rich guy's property

try again

That sounds like a wealthy "wellie", but when an oil platform in some gulf is attacked by some terrorist, the stockholders take it for granted that the military will defend their property.
 
I said that they pay PROPORTIONATELY less than lots of persons with lower income. Does the word have too many syllables for you? It is an exact word being misread by an inexact mind, or what? I think everyone should pay PROPORTIONATELY the same.

butthurt much? called you on your BS so now you resort to lame attempts at insult? you've whined for several posts that the rich don't pay the same % of their gross as you do...without providing one shred of proof to back it up.


If you own more, then it stands to reason those owned items will require more gov't service/s. That would be more gov't "bennies" to those that deserve them the least.

really? how does my 10 acres of vacant pasture require more gov't services than someone on welfare's section 8 housing? and, other than sucking up air and breeding...what have the trailer park and housing project residents done to "deserve" any gov't bennies at all?
 
That sounds like a wealthy "wellie", but when an oil platform in some gulf is attacked by some terrorist, the stockholders take it for granted that the military will defend their property.

that is a silly attempt to justify others paying more than you do. the military has no duty to expend extra effort defending wealthy peoples' homes and the cost of the military has absolutely no relation with the cost of a house or a car
 
That sounds like a wealthy "wellie", but when an oil platform in some gulf is attacked by some terrorist, the stockholders take it for granted that the military will defend their property.

except for the fact that the poor guy benefits from cheaper domestic oil more than the rich guy does.
 
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