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Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

Is it unreasonable to pay a little more?

  • Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!

    Votes: 21 27.6%
  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

    Votes: 48 63.2%
  • I'm not sure.

    Votes: 7 9.2%

  • Total voters
    76
go back and look at your sources... they all call for addition taxes to pay for the program.... which is exactly what i said would be necessary.:roll:

UHC might do lots of things.. debt reduction is not one of them.
without additional taxes to cover it, UHC would add to the deficit/debt... i'm not sure why you are disputing this very simple fact.

Of course it has to be paid for. Just like in the rest of the industrialized world. Were you expecting a free lunch? All the countries that have a single payer system have lower health care costs than we do with equal or better outcomes. When the US gets serious about debt, we will have to upgrade as all the others have done.
 
How could that possibly happen? With our constant 40% federal deficits of over $1 trillion dollars/year what could go wrong? If we run short of "stimulus" funds then simply print more money and lower the interest rates to actually pay our banks to take it. ;)

The best way to reduce the deficit is with a strong economy. The economy grows best when we have a strong middle class. If the GOP had stuck with their refusal to extend the middle class tax cuts to protect the tax cuts for the wealthy, we risked another recession.
 
Not everyone agrees with the OP that the government should have more money to imprison more Americans, expand Homeland Security, make more laws against citizens, and overall make the government ever more powerful, more oppressive, allow it to be more wasteful and take away still more rights

There may be people such as the OP's message suggests that desperately need some higher power to control every aspect of their life - and are so fearful need the government to control everything and everyone else. But not everyone is that dependant a personality nor that fearful of everything and everyone.
 
The best way to reduce the deficit is with a strong economy. The economy grows best when we have a strong middle class. If the GOP had stuck with their refusal to extend the middle class tax cuts to protect the tax cuts for the wealthy, we risked another recession.

We must have a strong (or at least large) "middle class" if it is 98+% of the taxpayers. ;)
 
We must have a strong (or at least large) "middle class" if it is 98+% of the taxpayers. ;)

That's what it took to save the middle class tax cuts from the GOP hostage taking.
 
Not everyone agrees with the OP that the government should have more money to imprison more Americans, expand Homeland Security, make more laws against citizens, and overall make the government ever more powerful, more oppressive, allow it to be more wasteful and take away still more rights

I don't know of anyone that supports your strawman there!
 
Not wanting taxes to go up 4.6% when they can easily pay for it is greed.

Greed is not wanting to keep what is rightfully yours.

Greed is wanting to take what is not rightfully yours.

Yours is the position of a robber calling his victim “greedy” for not wanting to be robbed. No matter how much you want to argue otherwise, it is the robber who is greedy, and not the one being robbed.
 
The best way to reduce the deficit is with a strong economy. The economy grows best when we have a strong middle class. If the GOP had stuck with their refusal to extend the middle class tax cuts to protect the tax cuts for the wealthy, we risked another recession.

And to raise taxes and spend the money on brand new programs. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 
Greed is not wanting to keep what is rightfully yours.

Greed is wanting to take what is not rightfully yours.

Yours is the position of a robber calling his victim “greedy” for not wanting to be robbed. No matter how much you want to argue otherwise, it is the robber who is greedy, and not the one being robbed.

He's a socialist, his definition is correct for him.
 
I am relieved our economy will not be at risk now of going back into recession.

When I have such visions, I at least recognize they happened in my sleep.
 
I don't know of anyone that supports your strawman there!

his post makes far more sense to me than the craving of a eurosocialist mediocrity that you often espouse
 
I note the objections of the wealthy as regards raising taxes. Their share is allegedely disproportionate. My property taxes are over 10% of my income. Then there are sales taxes, telephone taxes, Natural Gas taxes, Electric taxes, and Gasoline taxes. In my world, it looks like about 30% of my income goes to some kind of taxes. Do the rich pay 30%? I wish that they would start paying the same percentage of the gross that I do.
 
I note the objections of the wealthy as regards raising taxes. Their share is allegedely disproportionate. My property taxes are over 10% of my income. Then there are sales taxes, telephone taxes, Natural Gas taxes, Electric taxes, and Gasoline taxes. In my world, it looks like about 30% of my income goes to some kind of taxes. Do the rich pay 30%? I wish that they would start paying the same percentage of the gross that I do.

so in your mind all taxes-property, sales, dog licenses etc should be progressive?

or should taxes be based on what you receive in value?

the people making between 400K a year and 5 million, ie the VAST majority of those hit by the tax increases pay the highest effective federal tax rates

they also pay death taxes-something never figured into those tax rates that lefties like to use-tax rates that include all sorts of taxes never intended to be progressive-in order to claim that the FEDERAL tax rate is not progressive enough because it doesn't make up for those other taxes

you also ignore that someone like me pays hundreds of dollars for every tax dollar I get in benefits while most people pay less than a dollar for every dollar of benefit they get
 
so in your mind all taxes-property, sales, dog licenses etc should be progressive?

or should taxes be based on what you receive in value?

the people making between 400K a year and 5 million, ie the VAST majority of those hit by the tax increases pay the highest effective federal tax rates

they also pay death taxes-something never figured into those tax rates that lefties like to use-tax rates that include all sorts of taxes never intended to be progressive-in order to claim that the FEDERAL tax rate is not progressive enough because it doesn't make up for those other taxes

you also ignore that someone like me pays hundreds of dollars for every tax dollar I get in benefits while most people pay less than a dollar for every dollar of benefit they get

My post intended to point out that the wealthy talk like they pay disproportionately high percentages of the the tax. It simply aint' so, By the way, I don't get any benefits other than Veteran health care, but since I am healthy, that is nearly zero. Ergo, you should buck up and pay your fair share without all the squealin', don't you think? You should even pay a little extra so you don't feel like the poor are supporting you.
 
My post intended to point out that the wealthy talk like they pay disproportionately high percentages of the the tax. It simply aint' so, By the way, I don't get any benefits other than Veteran health care, but since I am healthy, that is nearly zero. Ergo, you should buck up and pay your fair share without all the squealin', don't you think? You should even pay a little extra so you don't feel like the poor are supporting you.

they are correct when it comes to the main tax in this country-the federal income tax and on top of it the death tax.
 
The recent planned tax increases won't even make a dent in our yearly deficit. It was never about reducing it, it's about making it seem like they're doing something by taxing the rich. Spending is bloated and needs to be cut, plain and simple.

Can't make a dent with cuts alone either. Especially the type cuts often mentioned. You must raise taxes and cut from the big three or you're really not serious about tackling the deficit.
 
Can't make a dent with cuts alone either. Especially the type cuts often mentioned. You must raise taxes and cut from the big three or you're really not serious about tackling the deficit.

the increase on "the rich" was never intended to do anything other than

1) placate those who blame the rich for their own lot in life so they vote for the deems

2) convince the weakminded that now there is more "revenue" meaning the government can continue to spend on them
 
the increase on "the rich" was never intended to do anything other than

1) placate those who blame the rich for their own lot in life so they vote for the deems

2) convince the weakminded that now there is more "revenue" meaning the government can continue to spend on them

:yawn:

Doesn't change a thing I said.
 
:yawn:

Doesn't change a thing I said.

actually it does-you implied that tax hikes on the rich are needed to make a dent

I denied that was the intent
 
actually it does-you implied that tax hikes on the rich are needed to make a dent

I denied that was the intent

I did not address intent, only what was really needed. Do you know what I said was needed?
 
I note the objections of the wealthy as regards raising taxes. Their share is allegedely disproportionate. My property taxes are over 10% of my income. Then there are sales taxes, telephone taxes, Natural Gas taxes, Electric taxes, and Gasoline taxes. In my world, it looks like about 30% of my income goes to some kind of taxes. Do the rich pay 30%? I wish that they would start paying the same percentage of the gross that I do.

so you are claiming that 'the wealthy" don't pay property tax or sales tax or telephone taxes or natural gas taxes or electric taxes or gasoline taxes?
 
so you are claiming that 'the wealthy" don't pay property tax or sales tax or telephone taxes or natural gas taxes or electric taxes or gasoline taxes?

Another liberal fantasy.

They also neglect to mention the higher bills that come with heating/cool the mega houses those rich people have. I know quite a few with 5k+ sq ft homes, and I know their gas bills are higher than what I make a month, just keeping those homes warm in the winter.
 
If your basis of wanting to raise taxes on people is "people who could afford to pay more", then taxes should go up on everyone. I know people that are dirt-ass poor who still have the newest iPhone or smartphone or random expensive technological equipment. If you can afford a phone that costs several hundred dollars and a phone plan you drop 100 bucks a month on, you can afford more taxes. If not, you'd have a 30 dollar Straight Talk phone from Walmart with just the bare necessities, and pay 30 bucks a month for well more than basic needs in minutes and texts.

You know that newer car you have (3 years or less)? Ditch that and get a 15 year old used car. 50 inch flat-screen? Bye-bye. Full cable and HBO? Sorry, get used to network TV.

You can afford to pay more too.
 
so you are claiming that 'the wealthy" don't pay property tax or sales tax or telephone taxes or natural gas taxes or electric taxes or gasoline taxes?

You need to get someone to read to you, because I said no such thing. Perhaps it's just an extreme case of dyslexia. I'm certain it can't be stupidity, but one must be careful not to give such impressions. I just think those wealthy crybabies need to relate to taxes on a proportional basis. The poor are burdened excessively by the current tax system, not the rich. If you want to continue, we can go into forced costs like auto inspections, crap rolling downhill, like auto emission systems, State supported casinos, and other Corporate mandated costs passed along to end users like me and Grandmaw and the dog.
 
You need to get someone to read to you, because I said no such thing. Perhaps it's just an extreme case of dyslexia. I'm certain it can't be stupidity, but one must be careful not to give such impressions. I just think those wealthy crybabies need to relate to taxes on a proportional basis. The poor are burdened excessively by the current tax system, not the rich. If you want to continue, we can go into forced costs like auto inspections, crap rolling downhill, like auto emission systems, State supported casinos, and other Corporate mandated costs passed along to end users like me and Grandmaw and the dog.

you said you paid 30% gross in taxes and mentioned those specific taxes. you then wished the wealthy would pay the same amount of their gross. this implies that the wealthy do not pay those specific taxes.

even in your "rebuttal' you bring up forced costs that you and grandma pay...again implying that the wealthy do not also pay those costs. :lamo

how about giving some examples of taxes you pay that the wealthy do not also pay instead?
 
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