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  • Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!

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  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It took 30 years to get us where we are. Its not going to be fixed overnight, no matter how hard you may wish it!
    it took us much longer than 30 years to get here.

    you are correct, it will not be fixed overnight.... it will not be fixed at all.... there is no will to fix it.
    at 16 trillion in debt and climbing every second, there is not even a will to slow down, lets along reverse course.

    the Red dolts won't budge on defense spending( they want more)... the Blue dolts wont budge on entitlements( they want more)... and the majority in the electorate cheers their team on to victory...rinse and repeat.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    everyone needs to pay more, and we need to do a lot less on the global scale and a lot more on the local scale. put simply, the Bush model did not work long term.
    And the Obama model is worse

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it took us much longer than 30 years to get here.

    you are correct, it will not be fixed overnight.... it will not be fixed at all.... there is no will to fix it.
    at 16 trillion in debt and climbing every second, there is not even a will to slow down, lets along reverse course.

    the Red dolts won't budge on defense spending( they want more)... the Blue dolts wont budge on entitlements( they want more)... and the majority in the electorate cheers their team on to victory...rinse and repeat.
    You've got the sides right. That is the ideological divide in the country. Our representatives are representing us fairly accurately. Eventually people will realize that in order to address the debt problem, we will have to cut military spending and upgrade our health care system.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it took us much longer than 30 years to get here.

    you are correct, it will not be fixed overnight.... it will not be fixed at all.... there is no will to fix it.
    at 16 trillion in debt and climbing every second, there is not even a will to slow down, lets along reverse course.

    the Red dolts won't budge on defense spending( they want more)... the Blue dolts wont budge on entitlements( they want more)... and the majority in the electorate cheers their team on to victory...rinse and repeat.
    I don't for one second expect that it would, or even could, be fixed all at once. For one thing, that kind of reversal would be catastrophic.

    Having said that, I do expect real progress. And real progress is having less money go out in a given year than what comes in. No smoke and mirrors, no IOUs, no Jedi-like mind tricks. Simple out vs in money counting. I really see no reason why we could not accomplish the goal of eliminating the deficit within four years... and then start working on the debt indefinitely.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You've got the sides right. That is the ideological divide in the country. Our representatives are representing us fairly accurately. Eventually people will realize that in order to address the debt problem, we will have to cut military spending and upgrade our health care system.
    your idea will work fine.... for increasing our government's debt

    not interested right now, thanks anyways.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't for one second expect that it would, or even could, be fixed all at once. For one thing, that kind of reversal would be catastrophic.

    Having said that, I do expect real progress. And real progress is having less money go out in a given year than what comes in. No smoke and mirrors, no IOUs, no Jedi-like mind tricks. Simple out vs in money counting. I really see no reason why we could not accomplish the goal of eliminating the deficit within four years... and then start working on the debt indefinitely.
    I don't think you have unreasonable expectations.... I just think it's unreasonable to expect that from our current teams.

    both teams have shown themselves to be averse to the idea of compromising or even getting started down the right path...we get lip service , that's it.


    from the man in the White House to the junior guy on the Hill... they simple cannot get it done... every single one of them is tied to their ideology or agenda and refuses to budge.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    your idea will work fine.... for increasing our government's debt

    not interested right now, thanks anyways.

    Its not my idea, its reality. But like you say, you're not interested in that right now!
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not my idea, its reality. But like you say, you're not interested in that right now!
    reality you say?.. hmmph

    so you are sitting here telling me that enacting UHC will mean the government will pay out less in healthcare costs than it does now? is that your argument?

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    reality you say?.. hmmph

    so you are sitting here telling me that enacting UHC will mean the government will pay out less in healthcare costs than it does now? is that your argument?
    Yes, UHC has lowered health care cost in most of the industrialized world. We have highest health care costs on the planet for equal or lesser outcomes.

    We can no more afford that than we can to spend almost as much of the rest of the world combined on military. When enough people make that realization we will be able to address our debt.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You've got the sides right. That is the ideological divide in the country. Our representatives are representing us fairly accurately. Eventually people will realize that in order to address the debt problem, we will have to cut military spending and upgrade our health care system.
    “Upgrade[ing] our health care system…” is not relevant to addressing the debt problem. In fact, the most current attempt to do so unarguably is going to make this problem much, much, much worse.
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