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  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ooooh oooh! Me, me, Mr. Carta!

    Human rights, labor rights, environmental rights and a free and fair market. You know, the stuff that separates them from anarchists.
    half that stuff is unwarranted government interference depending on the way you define Labor rights or human rights

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    half that stuff is unwarranted government interference depending on the way you define Labor rights or human rights
    But the concepts are there, in that ideology. And they help prevent social darwinism.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    But the concepts are there, in that ideology. And they help prevent social darwinism.
    actually real libertarian policies promote social darwinism unless private charity mitigates against it

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually real libertarian policies promote social darwinism unless private charity mitigates against it
    Social darwinism is not possible (or, at least, is stemmed) with human, labor, environmental rights and a free and fair market. Individual Darwinism, sure, that's competition, but advantage being taken as a "superior group" against "those that cannot support themselves" not so much.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 01-07-13 at 10:26 PM.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Social darwinism is not possible (or, at least, is stemmed) with human, labor, environmental rights and a free and fair market. Individual Darwinism, sure, that's competition, but advantage being taken as a "superior group" not so much.
    you are playing semantic games now.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ah, but you can tax your way to prosperity?
    No, and I totally agree, we need a balance.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are playing semantic games now.
    The subject is Darwinism and I'm a (social) ecologist. I'm allowed to play with my term. See edit for additional "considerations" in the use of my term.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The subject is Darwinism and I'm a (social) ecologist. I'm allowed to play with my term. See edit for additional "considerations".
    individuals create society. society engages in darwinism if individuals are subjected to it

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    individuals create society. society engages in darwinism if individuals are subjected to it
    And society cannot engage in such with human, labor, environmental rights and a fair and free market. If there is no "advantage" to be taken by the "superior group" then "Darwinism" is right out.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    If Oscar will forgive me: there are about a million things that he SHOULD have done, but did not do. First of all, NOT bailing out failed banks. When a business fails, it FAILS. Rewarding failure by handing them BILLIONS with no strings attached was idiotic in the extreme. Regulating banks was the top priority: stop conflicts of interest where depository institutions are also brokerages, investment banks, insurance companies and so on. If a bank is a depository and lending institution, that is what it should be. No way that the company selling you a common stock should also own stock that it gives itself by the boatload and then churn the public shares to pump up the value - mostly set by IT'S OWN ANALYSTS by the constant stream of pure BS about "markets". Sign on to Basel II - simple thing - any responsible country did so back in Basel I days (did it never occur to Americans why Canadian banks - who drank from all of the same fountains as US banks - had no failures or even serious losses??? - answer = properly regulated and enforced). In other words, our banks do not sit at the table with - or in your case OWN - our legislators and rulemakers, and neither should yours. Not bailing out GM - same deal, if you fail, you fail. That is what business does and how it learns to stop doing stupid things. He should have increased capital gains tax. He should have eliminated double taxation on dividends. He should have kicked lobbyists out of Washington. He should have made derivative trading illegal. He should have operated with a balanced budget that included debt service provisions.

    Ah, heck...HE SHOULD HAVE DONE HIS FRIGGING JOB.
    President Obama is not a dictator, he is a president, he has to work with the senate and congress. The USA economy was in free fall when he took office, it's nothing short of a miracle that the USA is not in a depression dragging along Canada and half of the world along. It's apparent that you do not care for him so who among the other party candidates would you have cast your vote for?

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