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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    put simply, we need to raise everyone's taxes and cut spending, and we need to phase in the changes properly.

    No, we do not need to raise anyone's taxes. Government consumes far too much of our wealth as it is.

    We do not need to give the drug addict even more and more of the same drug, while the rest of us fall further into poverty to support the addict.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, we do not. Government consumes far too much of our wealth as it is.

    We do not need to give the drug addict even more and more of the same drug, while the rest of us fall further into poverty to support the addict.
    we certainly need to prioritize spending, but we also need more revenue. we all benefit from societal structure, and implying that government is the only problem is an oversimplification. any sustainable solution is going to have to involve spending cuts and revenue increases.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? Is that not exactly what the current law, aka "fiscal cliff" bill, specifies along with real spending cuts, aka sequestration?

    yes, I suppose so.... i'll just remind you that both sides are fighting to get away from that law.. neither Dems nor Reps want to increase taxes on everyone ( Reps want no increase, Dems only want increases on the rich)... hell, neither really wants to cut spending either.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we certainly need to prioritize spending, but we also need more revenue. we all benefit from societal structure, and implying that government is the only problem is an oversimplification. any sustainable solution is going to have to involve spending cuts and revenue increases.
    When government actually makes real cuts (not cuts to proposed spending), and implements them so they are spending less money than they were yesterday, let us know.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we certainly need to prioritize spending, but we also need more revenue. we all benefit from societal structure, and implying that government is the only problem is an oversimplification. any sustainable solution is going to have to involve spending cuts and revenue increases.
    we'll get a little bit more revenue from the rich folks... but spending cuts?.. nah, not gonna happen.
    the best you can hope for is changes in accounting methods and decreases in the rate in which spending increases.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    we'll get a little bit more revenue from the rich folks... but spending cuts?.. nah, not gonna happen.
    the best you can hope for is changes in accounting methods and decreases in the rate in which spending increases.
    It took 30 years to get us where we are. Its not going to be fixed overnight, no matter how hard you may wish it!
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we certainly need to prioritize spending, but we also need more revenue. we all benefit from societal structure, and implying that government is the only problem is an oversimplification. any sustainable solution is going to have to involve spending cuts and revenue increases.
    Having government consume as big a share as it does of this nation's wealth is unsustainable. Increasing it certainly is.
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, I suppose so.... i'll just remind you that both sides are fighting to get away from that law.. neither Dems nor Reps want to increase taxes on everyone ( Reps want no increase, Dems only want increases on the rich)... hell, neither really wants to cut spending either.
    I will offer a bar room analogy. Congress critters are in very unique position now. They may now order endless rounds for the house and may either place the cost on other (rich) people's tabs or simply use the "company" credit card to pay the tab. They used to have to either collect funds from the folks before hand and pay cash, but that was keeping them from being nearly so popular. The new system is thought to be better since 53% of the bar patrons will no longer have to ever pay for a drink again! The 12% that are occasioanlly hit with most of the congress critters' bar tabs, simply raise the prices of goods and services that they provide, allowing the patrons receiving their "free" drinks to feel good now but pay them back later (while not even realizing it).
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    we'll get a little bit more revenue from the rich folks... but spending cuts?.. nah, not gonna happen.
    the best you can hope for is changes in accounting methods and decreases in the rate in which spending increases.
    i think we'll see some cuts in a couple months, but not nearly enough. similarly, the increases will be insufficient. the only silver lining is that at least we're talking about it, and if we do something, we might not get downgraded again. as long as we continue to be the global reserve currency, we have a buffer against disaster. once that's gone, all bets are off.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Having government consume as big a share as it does of this nation's wealth is unsustainable. Increasing it certainly is.
    How much are you prepared to cut military spending? Are you prepared to upgrade our health care system to UHC to reduce health care costs as every other industrialized nation has done?
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