View Poll Results: Is it unreasonable to pay a little more?

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  • Yes. I'm a greedy bastard!! I need MORE!!!

    28 28.87%
  • No. There's comes a point in wealthiness where it just doesn't even matter anymore.

    61 62.89%
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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    Because communism doesn't work, and liberalism =/= communism, no matter what FOX and Limbaugh might say. We didn't have an income tax in the 19th century, when government was relatively small, when military spending wasn't greater than that of the next ten nations combined, when we did not have military bases in more than 100 nations worldwide, and when we did not have so many social programs. It is the 21st century now, and try as we might, we won't be rid of all these developments. Times change, and we must change with them. Old policies don't work, so we don't use them. Now, if Wilson had never enacted the income tax, we would never have this argument, but the tax was enacted, and revenue increased. When revenue rises, so does spending. If we abolished the income tax, we would have to undergo draconian spending cuts that would put hundreds of thousands of soldiers out of work, increasing unemployment, and welfare cuts would see people already below the poverty level sink even lower.

    In an ideal world, we would pay no taxes whatsoever, but we do not live in an ideal world. If you want to see how society functions without government or taxation, hop on an oil tanker and head to Somalia. It seems to be working really well for them.
    The point being that we shouldnt have them now either.....

    Do you know what the constitution is based on? If you did you wouldnt post such things.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    The point being that we shouldnt have them now either.....

    Do you know what the constitution is based on? If you did you wouldnt post such things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    The point being that we shouldnt have them now either.....

    Do you know what the constitution is based on? If you did you wouldnt post such things.
    Oh, feisty now. I recognize the reality of modern times; that means I haven't read the Constitution? Make no mistake, I have, but I've also long since removed my rose-tinted glasses. We are 250 years past the signing of the Constitution, and things have changed. If you look at legislation over the past century, you'd realize that most of our leaders have either never read or simply ignored our Constitution. Income taxes, the War on Drugs, the Espionage and Sedition Acts, the PATRIOT Act, the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (and now 2013, too, thanks to Obama, Constitutional Lawyer Extraordinaire), undeclared wars in the Balkans, Africa, Middle East, and Asia, "In God We Trust" as our national motto, and a private central bank controlling the money supply. None of those items are Constitutional, but if those who proposed them cared, they would not have done it.

    We should not have these things, but that is a moot point, because you know what? We have those things. We need to cope with what we have inherited, not close our eyes and dream of being dealt a different hand.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    Oh, feisty now. I recognize the reality of modern times; that means I haven't read the Constitution? Make no mistake, I have, but I've also long since removed my rose-tinted glasses. We are 250 years past the signing of the Constitution, and things have changed. If you look at legislation over the past century, you'd realize that most of our leaders have either never read or simply ignored our Constitution. Income taxes, the War on Drugs, the Espionage and Sedition Acts, the PATRIOT Act, the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (and now 2013, too, thanks to Obama, Constitutional Lawyer Extraordinaire), undeclared wars in the Balkans, Africa, Middle East, and Asia, "In God We Trust" as our national motto, and a private central bank controlling the money supply. None of those items are Constitutional, but if those who proposed them cared, they would not have done it.

    We should not have these things, but that is a moot point, because you know what? We have those things. We need to cope with what we have inherited, not close our eyes and dream of being dealt a different hand.

    Thats whats called a Progressive

    Which i am not

    Now the rest of your post is spot on.

    So once more what is the constitution based on?

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    .......like govt can't.
    Government CAN control spending but they CHOOSE NOT TO.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    Government CAN control spending but they CHOOSE NOT TO.

    Just like a crack addict with an unlimited supply of money can stop smoking

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    Thats whats called a Progressive

    Which i am not

    Now the rest of your post is spot on.

    So once more what is the constitution based on?

    What is this, my government class? I thought I had to raise my hand first. I have no need to prove myself to you, especially considering that, if I didn't know, I live in the 21st century, not the 19th, as mentioned, and I can Google the answer to your question without a second thought, and you would be none the wiser.

    But if you must know, the Constitution is based on a mix of the teachings of Confucius, Karl Marx, Louis XIV, Kim Jong-il, and the prophet Muhammad. Happy?

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    If the big three include Welfare and SS then they should be cut as their unconstitutional. This is insanity. Entitlements are what driving us broke and we just added the biggest one ever.
    Won't happen. Welfare isn't one of the big three. It's small potatoes. Medicare could be improved by UHC. But mostly, that genie is out of the bottle.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    And what do you think the chances are that they will?
    Slim. But not impossible. Let them know you're not opposed t reason and compromise, and the odds improve.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Earth to Boo. Obama can veto things and the Senate is demorat majority. You see the "shame" placed upon the House if they do not undo that "bipartisan" deal passed in both the House and the Senate, and signed by Obama, aka "fiscal cliff" law. That was the law, but did that matter? NO, becuase Obama, not congress, played hardball and "demanded" that the House reduce taxes for 98%+ of the people with no "pay for" in spending cuts at all. That was Obama. Get real!
    Yes, and they can override his veto. And you're too forgiving of the house. They too could have played hard ball. As long as you see it as us versus them, the problem will never be tackled let alone fixed. They have to work together and compromise.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Is it unreasonable for the wealthiest to pay a little more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    What is this, my government class? I thought I had to raise my hand first. I have no need to prove myself to you, especially considering that, if I didn't know, I live in the 21st century, not the 19th, as mentioned, and I can Google the answer to your question without a second thought, and you would be none the wiser.

    But if you must know, the Constitution is based on a mix of the teachings of Confucius, Karl Marx, Louis XIV, Kim Jong-il, and the prophet Muhammad. Happy?
    Nope as your wrong

    Ill tell you if you like. Its been mentioned by others here already.

    Ill give you a hint. It never changes.

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