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Should the Tea Party form its own political party?

Should the Tea Party form its own political party?


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It takes time to get it together enough to get candidates elected. It also takes time (and a good deal of money) to influence the votes of existing candidates. Obama is often cheered for his "help" given to the great loafing class (welfare, in all of its many forms), for allowing the federal income tax rates for the "working class" to remain, reduced to as little as half, what they were under Clinton (often ignored when he derides the "Bush" FIT policy) and he supports unionized labor (well above that of non-union labor). That is his right, yet you seem to ignore that right to any political opposition to these "fair" (actually, simply your prefered) policies.

That is where your arguments fail, since you refuse to see that doubling the federal deficit differs substantially from Obama's campaign promise to cut the federal deficit in half. Many of the republicants in the Senate, in the wee hours of this morning, voted for a "compromise" deal that had taxation increases to spending cuts expressed at about a 40 to 1 ratio. The Obamatrons see this as good for the nation, a huge "win" for Obama, and yet would never admit that they or Obama do not care one lick about creating an ever more massive federal deficit/debt, so long as they are assured that they will never personnally be called upon to repay it and, of course, continue to get all of their favorite "promised" federal benefits.

The federal gravy train is fast running out of money even for basic track maintanence. The annual interest on the national debt alone continues to move up the list of major federal gov't expenses/programs. Unlike Greece the US economy is too big to bail.



Both sides generate debt, which is why you probably can't name the last Republican Administration that came close to a balanced budget. Its all about spending priorities right now. Some Americans support spending priorities that predominantly benefit the wealthy and many support spending priorities that benefit the working class.

I'll know the Republicans are serious about our national debt when they agree to stop waging optional wars and spending almost as much on the military as the rest of the world combined.
 
i'd be happy to see both parties split up, to tell you the truth. the current duopoly doesn't reflect the political views of most Americans, and it just leaves most people feeling pissed off and disenfranchised. we need to tweak the system.
 
i'd be happy to see both parties split up, to tell you the truth. the current duopoly doesn't reflect the political views of most Americans, and it just leaves most people feeling pissed off and disenfranchised. we need to tweak the system.


I don't think it would matter, the split in ideology is among the American people. Therefore with any representative system that divide will still be reflected by our representatives. "We have met the enemy, and he is us!"
 
No, because they need to stay focused on economics.
 
Well you know how the republican party (currently the worse right now) and the democratic party have trouble defining their base and separating themselves from the complete nut-ball loons? well the TEA-Party would be even worse at it and it would be a complete failure of a party.

The tea party would go nowhere because its polluted with complete morons and this is how it would "stereotypical" be displayed in media
 
Well you know how the republican party (currently the worse right now) and the democratic party have trouble defining their base and separating themselves from the complete nut-ball loons? well the TEA-Party would be even worse at it and it would be a complete failure of a party.

The tea party would go nowhere because its polluted with complete morons and this is how it would "stereotypical" be displayed in media
Precisely why we should encourage a system where more than two political parties can exist. Right now the democrats and the republicans have to try to represent all americans, no matter how crazy they are. If we went a little more parlamentary, where multiple parties can have power, the people could be better represented.
 
Aside from the inherent difficulties in achieving useful coalition governments, it's idle chatter. The fact of the matter is whether you like it or not, third parties are about as useful as wearing shoes on your knees at the same time as your feet.

Anyone who wants to dabble in it can if they wish, but it is foolish to help them in doing so unless you want your man to succeed by dividing the other man's base.

Those in third parties should be used as fools and then disposed of immediately.
 
Precisely why we should encourage a system where more than two political parties can exist. Right now the democrats and the republicans have to try to represent all americans, no matter how crazy they are. If we went a little more parlamentary, where multiple parties can have power, the people could be better represented.

well that wasnt the question was it, didnt say anything about a system, i said the tea party, party would be a huge failure

in threads about how to fix politics i support mainstreaming multiple parties.

Id love a direct vote popular election under the following circumstances.

minimum three main presdiental parties at debates etc.
NO majorities allowed in the houses(voting wise anyway), more strict rules on filibustering
no VPs, the second place guy is leader of one house and 3rd place candidate is leader of the other house

of course this is just a skin and bone fantasy but i was just giving a small scale example of things ive said in threads about what you are talking about
 
Both sides generate debt, which is why you probably can't name the last Republican Administration that came close to a balanced budget. Its all about spending priorities right now. Some Americans support spending priorities that predominantly benefit the wealthy and many support spending priorities that benefit the working class.

I'll know the Republicans are serious about our national debt when they agree to stop waging optional wars and spending almost as much on the military as the rest of the world combined.

I assume you are now attempting to equate the TP and republicant ideals, thus totally missing the point of having a TP label at all. :roll:
 
The tea party needs to remain with the Republicans like a moronic stone tied to their neck.
 
The Tea Party, strictly speaking, is not a political party. Should this change? Should the Tea Party establish itself as an official political party?

Yes, so those candidates won't get elected, nor have the support of the GOP in regards to campaign funding.
 
I assume you are now attempting to equate the TP and republicant ideals, thus totally missing the point of having a TP label at all. :roll:

As far as spending priorities go, which is what I was addressing, I've seen no distinction in spending priorities between the TP and the GOP.
 
As far as spending priorities go, which is what I was addressing, I've seen no distinction in spending priorities between the TP and the GOP.

Really? Name any TP congress critter that has voted for increased federal taxation/borrowing authority.
 
Which Tea Party? Honestly, I don't know which one everyone is talking about. Even the Tea Party doesn't seem to agree as to what exactly the Tea Party is. Initially they seemed to have been for fiscal responsibility. Later, they became much more than that. Often to me it seems as if the Tea Party is sometimes another name for Neocons. Other times Libertarians or Theocrats or something else.

IMHO the Tea Party will continue to hang out and suck the life out of the GOP. Not that the Tea Party will be the only people doing it.
 
Have the democratic populists lecture everyone about conservatism? That's rich.

The Tea Partiers can spare us the purity lecture. The conservatism of John Adams, Burke, and Hamilton had been long since abandoned. Hell, most of them believe in the moderate welfare state. All they have to offer is vague semblance of fiscal policies, irresponsibly prefer to cripple the ability of the government to function with a balanced budget amendment, mixed with fanciful rhetoric about how the average person knows better than their leaders, and refuse to accept the art of compromise and instead favor rebelliousness.
I said what needed to be done, not what was actually going to be done. I already realize the nation is going Southleft.
 
Really? Name any TP congress critter that has voted for increased federal taxation/borrowing authority.

I can't name anyone in the GOP that has voted for increased taxes either, see my point.
 
It's obviously good for the tea party people to have an influence on the republican party. Third parties don't matter. Is it good for the republican party to be under the influence of the tea party? If the tea party ever ends up a third party, it won't be because they choose to be. It'll be because they were forced to be.
 
Yes, then maybe the Republican Party will finally move toward center after decades of moving ridiculously far to the right. Let the Tea Party be the ridiculous fringe group that it is.
 
The Tea Party, strictly speaking, is not a political party. Should this change? Should the Tea Party establish itself as an official political party?

No. It would be politically foolish on their part, save for creating said party in a more local than national sense.

One, there's not a strong enough national message for the Tea Party. The message coming out of the tea Party of South Carolina is unlikely to be the same message coming out of the Tea Party of New Hampshire. Why? Because while they likely will agree on fiscal and some governmental issues, the reality is to be a POLITICAL PARTY you need a broad platform...and on the social issues the various segments of the Tea Party will not agree.

Two, there will still be a whole heap of people attached to the Republican name. What you'll do is basically fragment the voting base and assure that both the Republican Party and the Tea Party Party would have no shot at winning a national election.

Their best bet is to continue and attempt to produce change from within.
 
I said what needed to be done, not what was actually going to be done. I already realize the nation is going Southleft.

The Tea Partiers are not "true conservatives". A true conservative would be anathema to them; a true conservative would loathe them as populists.

The essence of genuine conservatism is elitism, and an opposition to democracy. As Fiddytree said, the Tea Partiers are democratic populists who rail against "elitists".
 
Oh, yes. It would kill two birds with one stone: split the American right and break open the political field for third party candidates. I shudder to think what they might do in power, but with the demographic shifts of the nation, that won't be an issue for long.
 
The Tea Party, strictly speaking, is not a political party. Should this change? Should the Tea Party establish itself as an official political party?

Sure, let'em have their own party. Why shouldn't they?
 
yes that way they could get out of the GOP's way and the GOP may actually get something done.
 
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