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    Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Im referring to H.R. 1 which, which in addition to spending 650 billion on defense, adds another 60 billion in specific funding related to natural disasters. My answer is no. First off, the federal govt does not have the power to spend money on flood insurance, transportation other than post roads, housing, flooding or small business loans. Second, it is individuals responsibility first to avoid risk from nature, and if deciding to take that risk, to cover their losses when damages occur (with local govt or charity if they choose). Third, the country is already borrowing a trillion dollars a year. If people want it to spend money on this, they should raise the revenue seperately through a special tax or cut spending to cover the additional spending. Fourth, this should not be bundled with the defense appropriations. It is not germane and it puts pressure on representatives to play political games.

    To put it another way, if the govt succeeds in raising taxes on the rich, that additional revenue will already be spent by this one bill.

    -$9.7 billion in new borrowing authority for the National Flood Insurance Program to pay claims filed by homeowners and businesses.

    — $11.5 billion for the Federal Emergency Management Agency's Disaster Relief Fund.

    — $10.8 billion for the Transportation Department's Public Transportation Emergency Relief fund for assistance to subway, commuter rail and public bus systems.

    — $17 billion for Community Development Block Grants administered by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, with $15 billion designated for disaster relief and restoration and the other $2 billion for mitigation to reduce future risks.

    — $5.35 billion for Army Corps of Engineers infrastructure projects including $3.5 billion for mitigation projects to reduce future flooding risks.

    — $760 million for the Small Business Administration's disaster loan program.

    — $921 million for highway and bridge repairs funded through the Federal Highway Administration.


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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    I believe that any disaster relief should come with strings attached such as making structures resistant to natural disasters or not building in areas below sea level.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Hurricane Sandy was a tragic disaster that killed many people, destroyed homes and businesses. If the money went to them I would support aid, however that's never the case with FEMA. Federal agencies are never reliable with helping these people, and shouldn't be rewarded.

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    I think we should provide some limited disaster relief. I think the government should get out of the flood insurance business though. I think the 9th and 10th Amendments when read together and in context of the paradigm in which they were crafted offer an argument for federal authority beyond which I have seen anybody here make.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Cut the budget increase in defense and spend a few more billions in helping those people. God dammit, in case of natural disaster it is the duty of the state to help out. People NEED to look for one another. The state uses YOUR money or YOUR debt to help YOU, the citizen, just not you directly, but indirectly. That being said, I think the money will be even more wisely used if the 60bil $ will be given to the municipalities who were affected, instead of having the federal government regulate the money which will get wasted in the bureaucracy.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Absolutely they should. If this country can spend trillions fighting stupid wars in the MI, we can spend a few billion helping our sisters and brothers in the Northeast.


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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im referring to H.R. 1 which, which in addition to spending 650 billion on defense, adds another 60 billion in specific funding related to natural disasters. My answer is no. First off, the federal govt does not have the power to spend money on flood insurance, transportation other than post roads, housing, flooding or small business loans. Second, it is individuals responsibility first to avoid risk from nature, and if deciding to take that risk, to cover their losses when damages occur (with local govt or charity if they choose). Third, the country is already borrowing a trillion dollars a year. If people want it to spend money on this, they should raise the revenue seperately through a special tax or cut spending to cover the additional spending. Fourth, this should not be bundled with the defense appropriations. It is not germane and it puts pressure on representatives to play political games.

    To put it another way, if the govt succeeds in raising taxes on the rich, that additional revenue will already be spent by this one bill.

    I read your post carefully and agree with much that you stated. Nevertheless I voted that the NE disaster relief should be funded. The secondary impact of the funding creates jobs locally. Downhome repairs. Local. There are not many successful job creation programs, but this is one, even if it is not the primary intent. Pull the $60 billion out of our Military Offense budget.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Cut the budget increase in defense and spend a few more billions in helping those people. God dammit, in case of natural disaster it is the duty of the state to help out. People NEED to look for one another. The state uses YOUR money or YOUR debt to help YOU, the citizen, just not you directly, but indirectly. That being said, I think the money will be even more wisely used if the 60bil $ will be given to the municipalities who were affected, instead of having the federal government regulate the money which will get wasted in the bureaucracy.
    The problem is the state is using my money to help someone who built in the wrong place. To rebuild in the same place. And then they will charge me again when their house gets knocked down again.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Absolutely they should. If this country can spend trillions fighting stupid wars in the MI, we can spend a few billion helping our sisters and brothers in the Northeast.
    So you support fighting stupid wars in the MI?

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The problem is the state is using my money to help someone who built in the wrong place. To rebuild in the same place. And then they will charge me again when their house gets knocked down again.
    I see how that can be troublesome. However, how often does such a hurricane happen?

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