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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

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    The country is based on a system of law, not values and qualities. Law is what seperates from dictatorship.
    Where do you think law comes from if not values and qualities?

    BTW, a dictatorship is also run by laws. The laws of one person yes. But there are still laws.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which I already explained to you what general welfare means. Try harder.
    General welfare does not mean exclusively general defense.
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A nation's and its society success depend on much more than "law".
    Values and qualities do matter.
    I am reminded of Charles Dickens line , "are there no workhouses, are there no prisons".
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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Absolutely, of course, but there is the high cost..

    In truth, some places are more risky than others...IMO, some are so risky (California mudslides for one) that NO aid should ever be given and that NO intelligent man would choose to live....this is common sense....people should use this now and again...
    I think that it is good economic sense to dredge our rivers, have strong buildings, and protect our coasts..
    I am leery of insurance in general - all too often, this leads to corruption/stealing (Medicare as an example)
    I would like to add to this post that New Orleans is 4-8 feet below sea level. I believe in disaster relief, but would not have authorized rebuilding anything below sea level. The city needs to be raised 8 feet first. After that, start planning for Global Warming seal level increases. Common sense and reason should always be the first step, irregardless of how sympathetic we are to the plight of citizens affected by huge disaster.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    General welfare does not mean exclusively general defense.
    I have a feeling you aren't actually reading what I write.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I would like to add to this post that New Orleans is 4-8 feet below sea level. I believe in disaster relief, but would not have authorized rebuilding anything below sea level. The city needs to be raised 8 feet first. After that, start planning for Global Warming seal level increases. Common sense and reason should always be the first step, irregardless of how sympathetic we are to the plight of citizens affected by huge disaster.
    They can't very well raise the city eight feet.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The country is based on a system of law, not values and qualities. Law is what seperates from dictatorship.
    I agree. Intelligent, consistent, pragmatic, and fair laws are essential for the improving and security of a country or nation. However, I think if you read through what I posted I had stepped back and generalized to civilization as a concept for a society of human beings.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They can't very well raise the city eight feet.
    Then spend the money rebuilding elsewhere.

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    I think something not being appreciated is that ports, ports, places that unload ships which import and export vital resources to and from the US and the rest of the world would be nonviable according to the narrow focus and views I see put forth as solutions. Venice sure is in trouble, they need to lift the city up more than 8 feet. Shared resources to protect and guard the citizens in adversity on an extreme scale is just what the Unity of the States is for.
    Last edited by amph; 01-03-13 at 12:09 PM. Reason: mispelling

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    Re: Should Congress Fund Disaster Aid for Northeast

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im referring to H.R. 1 which, which in addition to spending 650 billion on defense, adds another 60 billion in specific funding related to natural disasters. My answer is no. First off, the federal govt does not have the power to spend money on flood insurance, transportation other than post roads, housing, flooding or small business loans. Second, it is individuals responsibility first to avoid risk from nature, and if deciding to take that risk, to cover their losses when damages occur (with local govt or charity if they choose). Third, the country is already borrowing a trillion dollars a year. If people want it to spend money on this, they should raise the revenue seperately through a special tax or cut spending to cover the additional spending. Fourth, this should not be bundled with the defense appropriations. It is not germane and it puts pressure on representatives to play political games.

    To put it another way, if the govt succeeds in raising taxes on the rich, that additional revenue will already be spent by this one bill.
    I get all that but president has been set at this point. Its unfair to North Easterners if we turn our backs on them when we helped Katrina and other storm victims. Plus, the North East pays a disproportionate amount of money to the federal government in taxes due to concentration of higher tax revenue coming in from that part of America. IMHO its only fair. They helped when other parts of the country needed assistance, its time to return the favor. Gosh, I just wish we had more funding available as a nation and individually.
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